Perry Orth with some good insight this morning

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  1. CCUIrmo

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    He mentioned that he feels the team is beat up a good bit due to some possible overwork. He said under Spurrier the team would have Sundays off unless going to trainer, etc. However under Muschamp if the team wins then on Sundays they have meetings and a walk through but if they lose, they put on the pads and have a practice. He mentioned one player saying it is rough getting done with a game at 11:00pm and then be back to practice fields in pads by 10:00 am next morning.

    I am not one to pamper these guys, however that is a bit extreme right there. It seems like perhaps when Muschamp says in his weekly press conference that Tuesday was not a good practice, maybe it is due to being worn out. Heck, Dabo has had many players say they dont even get close to the minimum amount of time allowed by NCAA for practice. Perhaps that helps them with in juries, etc. Yes an easier schedule helps but still. As much as I dont care for Dabo, it is hard to argue his methods as they are working and for second year in a row our team is fading down the stretch. It might answer why team does so poorly in second halves, to go along with poor adjustments by coaches.

    I, Honestly, have long been a Muschamp supporter but there are some things coming out that make me say we need to move on before we end up worse than when he got here.
     
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    But then people complain about the missed bowl practices.

    Muschamp is here through next year, but obviously there will be some change. Losing BMac will help. Our WR the last two years have underperformed and haven’t developed at all and our offense is atrocious. If we lose BMac we will get a new WR coach for sure. Werner could possibly be out also because most good OC and play callers are QB coaches.
     
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    Mason Zandi is the player that tweeted it out about the 11pm game ending and practicing at 10am. This is ridiculous to do to the players... no wonder we have so many injuries, if weight lifting you don't work the same muscle group two days in a row, to allow for the body to recover... yet our boneheaded coach is having guys put on pads after going through a gauntlet the night before... makes me wonder how many injuries last year and this year can be contributed his philosophy of practice... one thing is evident whatever he is currently doing isn't working!
     
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    The player that mentioned the 11pm/10 am thing was Mason Zandi.
    I personally think they should have Sunday off regardless.
     
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    That would involve common sense... but again our coaching staff believes that running the same dive up the A/B gaps over and over will eventually work... Still can't get over 27 yards rushing against APP STATE?!?!?!
     
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    I am not discounting what those who know far more about football than I do are saying about overwork, but if that was the case why would Champ be popular with the players?
     
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    I don't think it has as much to do with knowing more about football as it does that HIS players from the past few years are answering questions about injuries and practice regimen... pretty damning information that could easily be attributed to what we are seeing again for the second year in a row.
     
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    I see Werner staying, even if it as a consultant. If he were actually running our offense, we wouldn't be in this mess now, except to any extent the head coach might bridle him.
     
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    Someone can still be popular with the players and have policies that they may not like. And it also may be a case of "hindsight is 20/20". Some players may not necessarily be making the connection between injuries and their practice regimen until after they leave.
     
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    Making players practice more and harder is not the answer. That is stuff from like the 1920’s
     
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    There are times where someone is so liked that those under them will follow them anywhere, and trust them completely while still being unaware of the place they are being led to. Some of these guys love Muschamp a great deal and will do anything he asks because of the relationship they have. They trust Muschamp and he makes them feel he has their best interest at heart. Muschamp may feel he is doing the right thing, however results show otherwise but then again, Muschamp seems very, very stubborn. He will not change his ways. It will end up the same story, players will be the ones hurt throughout the process.
     
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    One the one hand, cant see justifying days off if you're having trouble with basic fundamentals. On the other hand, cant wear out your players either. Its part of a coach's job to know where to draw the line. Seems to be just another issue with Muschamp's ability to get the job done.
     
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    This is just an excuse. These kids are not overworked. If anything they are pampered. They are limited in the number of practices they can have and the number of hours they can spend on football. They don't even have two-a-day practices in summer camp. Back in the day, we didn't have two-a-day practices either - we had 3-a-day practices. Even after school started we had 2-a-days until the first game. Practice time was not limited either. We practiced for 3 hours at a time for most practices.
     
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    The most telling piece to me was Perry's mentioning that his mom, who hasn't followed any football since Perry's playing days, questioned him as to why we kept throwing the ball to the sides. Perry said he had no answer to that.
     
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    I know injuries tend to always be the excuse, but truth is....every team has them and the team looks no different than it did week 1 against UNC....or even VA in the bowl game for that matter. Injuries happen everywhere, the problem lies with not developing players and getting guys ready to step in and fill rolls. Especially at WR, it showed in last years bowl game and it shows every time Edwards is off the field....its hard enough to move and score points with him, but without him they just look atrocious, almost like they've never practiced a single play in the playbook.
     
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    That's great... but did you go out less than twelve hours after a game in full pads and hit for 2/3 hours? There has to be some common sense used, but given who we have coaching right now, it seems to lack. Might be why we are getting lapped by everyone not named Vandy/Ark in the SEC right now. I'm all for teaching fundamentals and "coaching them up" but there is a correlation to the injuries and practices.
     
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    Any trainer worth their salt will tell you not to do weight training without a minimum of 24 hours between workouts. But less than 12 hours between playing a game and full pads practice is ok?
     
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    As the saying goes, "you can't keep doing the same and expect different results".
     
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    You have to wonder if this kind of stuff (practicing like this) will be something NCAA looks into. In todays world there have been things similar to this that have gotten coaches fired. I just wonder if this is something that could come back to haunt Muschamp and possibly be something the Trustees can use to oust him without the huge buyout.
    Im not quite sure if it is or not but then again, in todays world you never know. Many players in the past at other schools have used these type of things to attack a coach and get them fired. Im not sure Muschamp intends to harm or overdo it, I just think he is extremely old school and sees nothing wrong with this type of practice.
     
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    I played under Sparky Woods lol and even he didn't do dumb ass shit like full pass the day after a game...freaking ridiculous. .
     
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    Pads sorry
     
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    THIS 100X!!!!! It was injuries last year too. And will be next year as well.....
     
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    Muschamp has been in full blown panic mode since the opening kickoff to start the season. Most of these injuries are a direct result of that imo. Expect more of the same next year if he returns.
    Ironically, the one game he felt the least amount of pressure on was probably the uga game. Chew on that for a while.
     
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    I mean what are they really practicing? Sure isn’t fundamentals! I see the same penalties being made week in and week out.
     
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    We always took Sunday off but it was always a mandatory afternoon conditioning (Indian run for 45 mins no stopping. Basically sprint 40 yards and jog back and the line keeps going). Then you went to see the trainer that morning
    as the season went on we were in pads twice a week at most. Usually by mid season most practices were shorts and shoulder pads.
     
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    hey if the players don’t want to practice on sunday morning, they’d better play with some effort and win some damn ball games. i understand they’re hamstringed by coaching, (no pun intended) but i saw flat, soggy players on the field saturday. it doesn’t take a coach to light your fire. if i was champ, i’d have them running bleachers after every loss. even if fans are still lingering around. we used to run poles after a loss in baseball, immediately after last out was called. one pole for each point we gave up.
     
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    If i won the lotto in the next cpl weeks Im paying his damn buyout
     
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    I can tell you Florida fans were glad when Dilman left town. Way too many injuries during his and Champ’s tenure.,
     
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    Boss there are some things that you just don't do , practicing full pads the day after is one.That shit may have flew back in the early 80's and back but not today. Thats idiotic.
     
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    no one has any idea how long or what the practice consists of. you can practice in full pads. i doubt they’re running tackling drills all morning. this sounds more like a penalty practice. if we sucked in practice all week, we’d be full pads on thursday instead of helmet shoulder pads. still mainly a walkthrough. just alot more conditioning drills. we still had to be back saturday 8am after the game for conditioning and film study, then lifting. that was high school. didn’t matter what time we got home from away games.
     
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    It was injuries at Florida too. Methinks this isn't a coincidence.
     
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    I wonder how much the BOT would be willing to pay... if the fans paid half of it @ $100 a piece it would take 90000 fans to get half the buyout.. that's not buying 2 under armour shirts to get rid of Mustdumps ass
     
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    Even more so. After practicing hard for 3 hours we were back out 3 hours later hitting hard again, and then 3 hours later with a lighter evening practice. The next morning - repeat. That was 6 days a week in summer camp. These guys don't even practice every day in summer camp, let alone multiple practices a day. Another difference now is these guys are having much more limited play in games. They substitute frequently and there is are specialists package for different situations. We rarely substituted in games unless someone was hurt. Nobody took a "breather".
     
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    The stupid thing is, I see delay of game or not enough/to many men on the field penalties coming straight out of a timeout or to start a new quarter lol, I mean it really is mind boggling sometimes to understand what exactly is going on on the sidelines.
     
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    About 20 years ago I worked with a guy that played for some coach up in Minnesota, I forget it was something like John Gerard or something it's been many many years. Anyway that coach was supposedly the best football coach ever and had won stacks of national champion trophy's for whatever confrence they were in. He used to tell me how that guy had all these odd rules and stuff about practice but the big one was they didn't hit or tackle much in practice, they saved that stuff for game days. He always kept practice light and half the time they wasn't even in pads, it helped keep injuries down and the players happy. I think there is something to that stuff and that old school drill sargent coaching stuff is gone for a reason, you don't hear about them coach's roughing them kids up and stuff like what you'd hear about danny ford back in the day. That stuff is gone for a reason.
     
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    Weight training and practicing are 2 totally different things and have nothing to do with each other. Practicing is running drills, scrimmaging, and hitting, not lifting weights. Lifting weights tears down the muscle tissue for each muscle group being worked. The theory behind resting a day in between is to allow those muscle tissues to recover and rebuild. When they do, they rebuild larger and stronger. Practicing is mostly conditioning and developing various football skills and technique. Totally different things.
     
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    So, you want your players to go full throttle, play 100% and leave it all on the field on Saturdays, then make them put on pads for Sunday practice? This coach is an absolute idiot. Recovery is more beneficial than making the team suit up less than 24 hours after a game. Does he honestly think this helps?
     
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    If that stuff is true, that's probably enough to get him canned. Hell Mike Leech got fired for less then that. I think there is some other ones that been fired for that stuff too, they look down on that hazing stuff now.
     
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    OP Clemson practices on Saturday’s. At least 70-80 of them do.

    Would be nice if Feaster wrote a book on the differences between the two programs. As much as he can remember. Would probably be a best seller and a revelation to us.
     
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