Ray tanner
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Tanner is not a saleman
Tanner is not a salesman. He should.have never had this job.
Truthfully, I was surprised that USC did hire RT as AD. I figured that had Hyman stayed on past 2013, RT would have resigned after the 2013 season as he stated he would do and then become AD at an area school such as College of Charleston, Coastal, Furman, Winthrop, Lander, Francis Marion, etc.
Actually, I thought that whether USC hired RT or someone else to succeed Eric Hyman that the results would be the same. The BOT and state politicians micromanage the USC Athletic Department.
Far too many posters see football as the be-all and end-all of the athletic program. Yes, football funds almost every sport at the school. But what about schools that do not sponsor football, e.g., Gongaza. How do they manage?
Actually, I thought that whether USC hired RT or someone else to succeed Eric Hyman that the results would be the same. The BOT and state politicians micromanage the USC Athletic Department.
Far too many posters see football as the be-all and end-all of the athletic program. Yes, football funds almost every sport at the school. But what about schools that do not sponsor football, e.g., Gongaza. How do they manage?
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That's NOT a decision for the BOT; that's the school president's job. The BOT interferes far too much as it is.
Regardless of how much less the BOT could care, again, they need to back off and let those in charge do their jobs without interference.
Hyman's hires were based on a hiring committee (basically Fogler's organization). This is how the BOT wanted the AD office run and is a model used throughout the nation. However, for the recent decision to retain Martin and hire Beamer, the BOT was directly responsible.
In summary, we do not have an AD with authority to hire and fire. Apparently, we also now use hiring committees only for vetting candidates (background checks, etc.) because we sure didn't try and use them for the purpose of selecting a coach. I guess the next stop will be for the BOT members that care to just go on Linkedin and just pick people from there. The final stop will be the sideline game promotion: one of the first 1,000 fans gets a towel and a chance to coach then we'll pick the section, row and seat that gets Little Caesars pizza (and the corresponding runs in the second quarter). I don't think it can devolve lower than that.
I'm not sure the BOT or RT REALLY care about the situation. One way to get their attention and make them make the right choices is to ban them from restaurant buffet desert bars.
They are fat and well paid and have no real motivation to address the problems of USC's FB pgm.
Have read some posters stating that USC should leave the SEC and join a lower level conference. Ha!!! That would really fix all the problems. There is already a lessening of interest in the FB pgm. WB would look like the Kansas crowd while playing the No. 3 team in the nation or even worse. SEC money is how USC has upgraded facilities.
They are fat and well paid and have no real motivation to address the problems of USC's FB pgm.
Have read some posters stating that USC should leave the SEC and join a lower level conference. Ha!!! That would really fix all the problems. There is already a lessening of interest in the FB pgm. WB would look like the Kansas crowd while playing the No. 3 team in the nation or even worse. SEC money is how USC has upgraded facilities.
I’m 40…if that’s green I sure as hell wish I felt that way…and I stand strong on fire the AD, and if not Beamer then definitely scatter field and Atkins…defensive guys I think are not the problem…I own a multi million dollar telecommunications construction company so to say I don’t know much about organizational politics if I believe these things is laughable to me…you can bet your “seasoned” ass that I don’t let someone sit in this organization more than a week before knowing it’s not gonna work out and cut ties…and I more than promise you it’s worked wonders for me
You hit on the difference. You own the company. The authority is with you. If you hire a guy to only do CFO duties and give him the title of President and don't give him the authority to hire and fire Vice Presidents then why would you fire the President is one of team VPs sucks?
So what your saying to me is…ray tanner had nothing to do with who’s coaching our teams? He had nothing to do with contact extensions or buyouts? None of this falls on tanner? And to further respond to that I think EVERYONE having to do with this embarrassment that is USC men’s sports should be canned…but your kidding yourself if you think ray is blameless…whoever is responsible for ray obtaining AD and even still be allowed to hold that seat should be escorted to Greenville where they belong
No, the ADs office is a department within the University. Their is a hierarchy and the AD is third on that list when it comes to the Athletic Department. The AD has power until those above him/her get involved....as the BOT almost always does on contracts. Overall the Athletic Department is doing well financially and otherwise....you and most are simply upset about one part of it. The one part where those above the AD got very involved in the last go-round.
I have to laugh at folks who say Tanner has set the football program back 20 years.... prior to the 2021 season, the USC football team's overall record is 614-595 (didn't include ties)... for a winning percentage of just under 51%. So tell me again how Tanner has messed up a program with such a long illustrious history. Spurrier was one of the greatest coaches in college football history and we were never going to replace him with an equal. (By the way, as good as he was, Spurrier never won the SEC while at USC which tells you how high the mountain is to climb.)
Same with baseball - Ray was one of the best coaches of all time. Hard to replace a legend. You see it with Tennessee women's basketball and lots of other schools and programs with lots of resources... Florida should be in the hunt for a national championship in football and baseball every year, but they're not. Texas is the same. Heck I remember when people were screaming for USC to hire Tom Herman (who was never coming here and recently fired at Texas) or Scott Frost (on the hot seat at Nebraska) and Justin Fuente (on the hot seat at Va. Tech). And how many coaches has Tennessee fired since Fulmer? It's not as easy as you think to hire a coach who can win at your school, even if you're a blue blood... which South Carolina is not and never will be.
Spurrier took his foot off the gas several seasons before he actually resigned. Ray should have spotted that and fixed it. He replaced good assistants with bad ones and made his son SpurrierJr (who wouldn’t recruit) the recruiting coordinator. There were no more Lattimores or Clowneys, or Shaws coming in. He stayed partly because Tanner talked him into it.
The football program became a dumpster fire on Tanner’s watch and remains one to this day…. Despite all these vast resources and top of the line facilities. Tanner is a ROD. Retired On Duty just collecting a paycheck.
I don’t care our overall history . If Ray Tanner can’t lead the program past mediocre. (And I think the majority are convinced that he can’t) Then bring in someone who can. I think more fans are in the thought process that UofSC and we all owe Tanner this. No, Tanner was PAID$$$ very, very well as a baseball coach. His performance as an A/D however, he shouldn’t be getting paid anything.
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Well, there is a thought about cleaning the whole house out and that's a fair consideration but it's impossible based on the BOT structure in South Carolina. Your accountability issue applies to 2016-17 and in a lot of ways he was fired after those decisions because he can't make them any more. Like many other programs, our AD manages the day-to-day operations of the department and the non-revenue sports.
However, he doesn't have the authority you think he does and hiring a new person isn't going to change anything because they likely won't have that authority either. Firing him just makes people feel better but it won't change anything.
I believe South Carolina does need an Alpha AD to reset the entire mission statement of the department and 2020-21 was the perfect time to do it because you would have someone to implement these changes and bring in his hires for football and basketball. One or more folks from the BOT reached out to Brad Edwards and wanted to do this complete reset. However, a combination of economics, cronyism and a belief that they could do better themselves led to more BOT members overruling this approach and we have the retention of Tanner and Martin and the hiring of Beamer.
So, I guess unless one of guys gets a time machine to fix things, we're going to have to see mind-numbing day-after-day posts about a AD fantasy that just can't exist here right now. Let's just keep beating that dead horse.
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