I like Beamer. He would need a very strong supporting cast. That will be the most important part of that hire if it happens.
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No one knew any of them had it before they manifested it.Interesting aside. It could be argued that folks like Dabo, Holtz and Meyer had the "it" factor that made them skip a level and stand out. We all know it exists but there's no way to qualify it. Just hope we are not assigning it to Beamer cause we " know and like" him. Maybe he has it. Maybe not.
The coaches and players who are speaking out about him (including Riley) describe him as “having a way about him”. Players say he “makes you want to play hard for him”. I have yet to hear anyone simply say “I just like him” or he “is a nice guy” when taking about why he will be a good HC. There is a stark difference in what has been said and what the nay sayers are repeating.Interesting aside. It could be argued that folks like Dabo, Holtz and Meyer had the "it" factor that made them skip a level and stand out. We all know it exists but there's no way to qualify it. Just hope we are not assigning it to Beamer cause we " know and like" him. Maybe he has it. Maybe not.
When Terry Don Phillips, Clemson AD at the time kept Dabo as permanent head coach, I read an interview that asked why chose to do that. He said he had attended many practices and noticed Dabo had his group of receivers more locked in, more organized than any other assistant. Thought those qualities would translate to a good head coach. KW is right. OC-DC aren’t the most important thingsI’m not looking up the history of all those coaches, but Urban Meyer and Dabo are NOT good examples.
Urban Meyer was an assistant for years and then began his head coaching career NOT at a P5 program. If he jumped straight from assistant coach to Florida, you’d have a valid comparison, but that’s not what happened.
In the case of Dabo, he was firmly entrenched in that program for years. They fired Bowden mid season and named Dabo interim head coach. Then after the season, they chose to take a gamble and kept him on, most likely to save their recruiting more than anything else. Not even close. Now, if they’d named Beamer the interim when Spurrier quit and then took a gamble, you’d have a comparison, but again that’s not what happened.
i imagine if I went through the history of those coaches on that list, they’d be similar to the ones above and NOT similar to the Beamer situation. I bet you’d be hard pressed to find an instance of a major program in a P5 conference going out and hiring some other program’s assistant to be their head coach.
No one knew any of them had it before they manifested it.
That's an indication, not a manifestation.They manifested it in other jobs before they got their shot at being a HC. People knew they were likely to do well...
They’re all risks. There is no rule. Administration’s gut feel about individual’s personality, vision, know-how, and ability trump the objectives.This is just for perspective. A Beamer hire isn't the outrageous risk it's gets played out to be but it is a significant one just the same. But as much as I like Chadwell too I think he is just as big a risk having never recruited against the top teams in the nation. I see the pros and cons of both. Napier is less of a risk perhaps but we've all seen coaches not make the move from the Other Five to the Power Five with success. I mean some do, some don't. I'll take one of those three come what may.
Neither was John Heisman.....they should've added him also.We're already putting Beamer in the same company with Paterno, Lou, Meyer and Dabo. You can't help but laugh. I heard Vince Lombardi and Chuck Knoll weren't coordinators either.
This never gets answered. Telling.Shane moved every 2-3 years. I would be very Leary about that track record. If he was so good, why wasn’t he being promoted and kept around on some of these other staffs.
This would be an effin' Caslen decision....meets none of the qualifications RT has always required.The context is or was exactly the same for all of them. Based upon where those guys were in their careers when they became head coaches, it's nonsensical to preemptively dismiss Beamer. You need to prepare yourself.
He worked at USC for four years, went to VT to work with his dad for 5 years. His dad retired, went to Georgia for a year and was offered a promotion to OKThis never gets answered. Telling.
Evidently the question. You just restated what he did.He worked at USC for four years, went to VT to work with his dad for 5 years. His dad retired, went to Georgia for a year and was offered a promotion to OK
not sure what’s hard to understand?
Charisma, gravitas', charm, style....you either have it or you don't., so we will have to agree to disagree. By the way, the man makes the clothes. What other cultural truism can we nail down today?No one knew any of them had it before they manifested it.
But he hasn’t jumped teams every 2-3 yearsEvidently the question. You just restated what he did.
No, I'm not going to spell it out for you again.
I'm also not going to explain mean to you.But he hasn’t jumped teams every 2-3 years
You’re counting his graduate assistant jobs? In his last three jobs he has been there for 4 years and 5 years and the one year he left because he was offered a promotion.I'm also not going to explain mean to you.
That's an indication, not a manifestation.
No but it’s just an example that it also doesn’t guarantee anything just like past positive performance is not a future guarantee of success.Muschamps failure doesnt magically make experience a bad thing.
Precisely. This is a total shot in the dark hire. If it doesn't work out for him he's $20 mill+ richer. No sweat. He can retire or go back to position coaching when Daddy makes a phone call. If it doesn't work out for us, the dumpster fire burns even hotter.They manifested it in other jobs before they got their shot at being a HC. People knew they were likely to do well.
Good coaches are in demand, especially those that have the IT factor. Shane moved every 2-3 years. I would be very Leary about that track record. If he was so good, why wasn’t he being promoted and kept around on some of these other staffs.
That post makes sense... Except he is not just “the TE coach” at Oklahoma. It immediately invalidates your points when ya’ll flat out lie about the man to make them.Hiring the TE coach at Oklahoma wouldn't surprise me with Ray doing the Hiring. It'll last 5 years. Hopefully Ray won't make the next hire in 5 years.
Correct... and the Dabo comparison is important in this instance. Not just because he is an example of a guy making the move to HC without the normal experience/career path we expect, but because be is successful there due to the fact he is a good PERSONALITY fit. Be impressed the right people to get the job, he had the right personality to make players want to play for him, he did a good job of recruiting, and knew the culture of the program, but was also able to combine what he knew of clemsun with what he had learned in previous stops to create a plan that made them successful.No but it’s just an example that it also doesn’t guarantee anything just like past positive performance is not a future guarantee of success.
It is simply point out that there is no “sure thing” when it comes to coaching hires. There will be examples where certain things did work and examples where that same thing didn’t work. It’s all about finding that combination of coach and environment that will breed success and it’s not a one size fits all way to go about it.
Urban Meyer was never a coordinator. He was the Notre Dame wide receivers coach before he took the Bowling Green job.
Ed Orgeron has never been a coordinator.
Dabo Swinney has never been a coordinator.
Pat Fitzgerald has never been a coordinator.
Mack Brown has been a coordinator one year- at Oklahoma in the 1980s and Switzer was running things- and he was a head coach before he was that coordinator for one year.
Jim Harbaugh has never been a coordinator.
Joe Morrison was never a coordinator.
PJ Fleck has never been a coordinator
Sam Pittman has never been a coordinator
Lou Holtz never was a coordinator
Mario Cristobal has never been a coordinator
Kirk Ferentz has never been a coordinator at the college level
Luke Fickell has only been a co-coordinator
Joe Paterno was never a coordinator
We're already putting Beamer in the same company with Paterno, Lou, Meyer and Dabo. You can't help but laugh. I heard Vince Lombardi and Chuck Knoll weren't coordinators either.
Anybody that knows anything about College Football knows the title of Assistant Head Coach. Is a way get a position coach more money nothing more. Without looking Beamer is probably one lowest payed coaches on OU staff before he got the title of Assistant Head Coach.That post makes sense... Except he is not just “the TE coach” at Oklahoma. It immediately invalidates your points when ya’ll flat out lie about the man to make them.
He was actually hired with that title and left Georgia because of the promotionAnybody that knows anything about College Football knows the title of Assistant Head Coach. Is a way get a position coach more money nothing more. Without looking Beamer is probably one lowest payed coaches on OU staff before he got the title of Assistant Head Coach.
Dabo at clemson has the advantage of being in the ACC. Outside of the Florida schools, no one in the ACC will outrecruit clemson. Dabo was an easy decision for Terry Don Phillips. He knew he simply needed a super recruiter to win the ACC. Dabo had that reputation before being elevated. If you are going to succeed in the SEC, you better be able to do both, recruit and coach well.When Terry Don Phillips, Clemson AD at the time kept Dabo as permanent head coach, I read an interview that asked why chose to do that. He said he had attended many practices and noticed Dabo had his group of receivers more locked in, more organized than any other assistant. Thought those qualities would translate to a good head coach. KW is right. OC-DC aren’t the most important things
Beamer is a great Recruiter. We need a Great Recruiter To Get Us Out of the Deep Dark Hole that WE ARE All In.Not a Beamer fan. Basically the same qualifications as Spurrier Jr, except many seem to be impressed because he is a nice guy. Personally, I'd rather see Chadwell get it than any of them. The man has a unique offensive mind and wins everywhere he goes. Done a great job at CCU, but the job he did at CSU is more impressive. Anybody that can win at that dump knows what they are doingcom.
Damn, I would've been pissed if I was Beamer. Ruffin McNeil had the title of Assistant Head Coach also and made 135,000 dollars more than Beamer.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/...gFHJvE9mHJTf8jwTS&cf=1&cshid=1606439492550He was actually hired with that title and left Georgia because of the promotion
Has about three decades more experience and was AHC for three years, makes sense I guess?Damn, I would've been pissed if I was Beamer. Ruffin McNeil had the title of Assistant Head Coach also and made 135,000 dollars more than Beamer.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/...gFHJvE9mHJTf8jwTS&cf=1&cshid=1606439492550
There is one power 5 opening- OURS. We are not competing against anyone for any candidate.What Power 5 program are we competing against for Beamer?
False- He has been AHC since he was hired in 2018. You know nothing of his responsibilities ob the staff, or what the “title means”...Anybody that knows anything about College Football knows the title of Assistant Head Coach. Is a way get a position coach more money nothing more. Without looking Beamer is probably one lowest payed coaches on OU staff before he got the title of Assistant Head Coach.
Everybody does but you.False- He has been AHC since he was hired in 2018. You know nothing of his responsibilities ob the staff, or what the “title means”...
Again, false. Lies do not become true wen repeated over and over. You know no more about his job at Oklahoma than anyone else. Clearly ya’ll are clueless you leave out at least three of his responsibilities every time you talk about him.Everybody does but you.
It so important he made 430,000 while Ruffin McNeil made 570,000 in 2018, and both were position coaches while both holding the title of Assistant Head Coach.False- He has been AHC since he was hired in 2018. You know nothing of his responsibilities ob the staff, or what the “title means”...