Trade your gas car or truck for electric?
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I just don't understand why you or anyone else would not care about this type of technology.
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I’m really curious about Tesla’s solar shingles. The cost seems to make them prohibitive at this point but if they get cheaper it could be really tempting.
I agree with you 100% as do electric cars but history shows that as technology matures it becomes cheaper also.
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If it makes economical sense it will happen. No one is going to pay 10 bucks for a big mac if a whopper is 4 bucks across the street.
If the government will stay out of it and let the free market determine what happens then possibly we see this technology going somewhere.
Im not disinterested in it. Its just not feasible currently and the whole thing is being politicized by the fear mongers.
Not trying to argue but we see things differently. Peace be to you and GO COCKS
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Because we like our combustion engines. I personally could give 2 flips about this technology. I will have to be forced to buy these trinkets before I purchase one. Give me my black smoke rolling diesel.
Good for you buddy, enjoy your diesel and internal combustion engine but it is a dying transportation platform
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You won’t have electric anything without fossil fuels. All this green energy requires either rare earth materials or fossil fuels ; most likely both. As much as people hate plastic, companies and consumers refuse to get rid of it. Did I mention that all that plastic comes from fossil fuels? I dare any entrepreneur to build or move something that does not require rare earth materials or fossil fuels in the production process. Green energy without that stuff is a third-graders fantasy.
I’m not being critical, but your replies in this thread make me think that you’re under 25 years old . For many of us, it’s not about being averse to this, nor any other technology. It’s about what we all know and love, in regards to our cars and trucks. This new technology is very unproven, and many questions beg to be answered. Many of us know how to work on our gas or diesel powered engines. We know them and depend on them.
I am 52 a degreed electrical engineer from USC. I changed careers and I am now a nurse for the VA system in Augusta Ga. If you think these technologies will not improve and become main steam then yes we do disagree. And I also think change is coming faster than people realize but we shall see
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Where are the dead batteries going to go? This will create a larger problem no one wants to think about right now. Batteries for cars are about the same cost as gas overall, if you have to replace them after 6 years (the cost will be roughly equivalent to the cost of gasoline over the same time period, and the life expectancy of batteries right now is about 6 years before they won't hold a charge anymore). If you start paying for charging on top of that (and you will definitely be paying) you'll be putting out a little less than double, depending on charging rates per milliAmp/hours used.
I stand corrected. You are older than me. I’m convinced that technology will improve. Change is the only constant in the world. What you do for our veterans is commendable. Again, I’m not against change or technology, I just don’t think electric vehicles and alternate energy sources are viable replacements right now.
Thank you for the conversation 🤙🏼🐔. I respect your opinion and perspective.
I remember when flat panel TVs just came out.Me and my son went to best buy and was walking around and saw one for the 1st time.I think the price was around $10,000 if I’m not mistaken(correct me if I’m wrong).I asked the salesman if he sold any,he said a couple.those things are cheap now.anything new is going to be high but the price will come down.
I sell industrial equipment to customers all over North America, IC and Electric. Right now, Li Ion is what's hot. I can run a forklift in a plant 24/7 on one battery. A 100% charged battery can be depleted to about 40% but can be brought back up to 100% in less than 30 minutes.
The battery and charger may cost $50K though and Li Ion is not really a renewable source.
The battery and charger may cost $50K though and Li Ion is not really a renewable source.
Bear, I think you'll find the stereotypes are changing. For instance, I'm 44, born and raised in SC, now living in western NC on 40 acres. Very conservative. Advanced degree. I do my own vehicle maintenance. I installed a ground mount grid tied 5k system in 2020, which I will expand when I get an electric car. My 4x4 V8 expedition with 110k will become my secondary vehicle for trailers.
Another great feature of electric is vehicle to grid, or vehicle to load. Hyundai already has already released. Waiting on Tesla. I'll be able to run my well pump and freezer off the energy from my car during grid failure. And yes, I have a 240v generator.
Edit: and when i say i installed, i mean it. fabricated (welded) my own mounting system. All wiring, disconnects, inverter, and trenching.
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Nothing is perfect except God. So quit wasting your time looking for it. Hydrogen is the best “green” crap out there. The funny thing is this world is built to evolve and change no matter what “we” do. The funniest thing is watching these college kids thinking they can “force” a permanent change in the climate of the world.
Good one! Don’t worry he’ll learn or maybe not. Some don’t get up after being slapped down to earth. It’s sad but true because then we have to pay off his indoctrination loans.
It is all about virtue signaling and the false premise that CO2 is a pollutant. Let the electrics come when the economics warrant them.
The first electric car in the US was built in 1890.
Electric motors are more efficient than combustion engines and their power to weight ratio is much better. Torque is much better. Electric cars have far fewer parts and do not require any environmental systems. You can distribute the weight in an electric much easier to improve handling. Towing capacity is much better.
One of the only issues holding back wide spread adoption is a step change in battery design. Automotive scale Li polymer is probably the next large step change which will eliminate the individual cell battery management system needs to prevent self heating which are costly. Lipo will greatly reduce battery costs. Automotive Batteries are already being reconditioned and Tesla is developing a million mile battery. The sensitivity to cold and heat are real issues. As far as the charging infrastructure, go get the Tesla charging station app and you will be shocked at just how many stations are installed.
As far as the environment, an electric coal base station or even a natural gas peaking station emits far far less emissions than combustion engines with automotive level environmental control systems. Not to mention they can generate and distribute energy much more effectively than a petroleum based liquid energy storage medium.
Electric cars will definitely overtake combustion engines sooner than most think and it will have nothing to do with the environment or government regulations.
The next big surprise for most will be that many people will not own cars in the near future because self driving autonomous vehicles will be the norm. Go check out videos of Tesla’s new full self driving mode beta, truly incredible.
For me, I am looking forward to the day I get a Flyboard Air, and yes it uses kerosene and not a battery.
Electric motors are more efficient than combustion engines and their power to weight ratio is much better. Torque is much better. Electric cars have far fewer parts and do not require any environmental systems. You can distribute the weight in an electric much easier to improve handling. Towing capacity is much better.
One of the only issues holding back wide spread adoption is a step change in battery design. Automotive scale Li polymer is probably the next large step change which will eliminate the individual cell battery management system needs to prevent self heating which are costly. Lipo will greatly reduce battery costs. Automotive Batteries are already being reconditioned and Tesla is developing a million mile battery. The sensitivity to cold and heat are real issues. As far as the charging infrastructure, go get the Tesla charging station app and you will be shocked at just how many stations are installed.
As far as the environment, an electric coal base station or even a natural gas peaking station emits far far less emissions than combustion engines with automotive level environmental control systems. Not to mention they can generate and distribute energy much more effectively than a petroleum based liquid energy storage medium.
Electric cars will definitely overtake combustion engines sooner than most think and it will have nothing to do with the environment or government regulations.
The next big surprise for most will be that many people will not own cars in the near future because self driving autonomous vehicles will be the norm. Go check out videos of Tesla’s new full self driving mode beta, truly incredible.
For me, I am looking forward to the day I get a Flyboard Air, and yes it uses kerosene and not a battery.
This argument may become moot a lot sooner than most of you realize. GM announced they will go all electric by 2035.
GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35352321/gm-eliminate-gas-vehicles-2035/
Volvo has already eliminated gas only cars. They are either hybrid or electric.
Daimler (Mercedes) and Volkswagon have made similar announcements.
Daimler Will Pull the Plug on Gasoline, Diesel Engines, Focus on EVs
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-plug-on-gasoline-diesel-engines-focus-on-evs
It is no longer a question of IF, it is a question of WHEN.
GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35352321/gm-eliminate-gas-vehicles-2035/
Volvo has already eliminated gas only cars. They are either hybrid or electric.
Daimler (Mercedes) and Volkswagon have made similar announcements.
Daimler Will Pull the Plug on Gasoline, Diesel Engines, Focus on EVs
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...-plug-on-gasoline-diesel-engines-focus-on-evs
It is no longer a question of IF, it is a question of WHEN.
It basically means that we need to become an impoverished nation where people don’t have anything that creates any CO2.
You would think with all of the advancements we’ve seen people would be past the point of believing their generation are geniuses and everyone else is a moron.
I’m sure some of your grandparents/great grandparents never thought the sorcery of flying machines would replace trains.
I’m sure some of your grandparents/great grandparents never thought the sorcery of flying machines would replace trains.
It’s the faux news pitch that college is bad and when people think on their own it is always bad.
I know right. Natural cycle of the earth says I. Other nature is fully capable of taking care of herself. Man made Climate change is bs.
Hope your lifetime is beyond 15 years (see post #104)
I think one day (< 20 years) we will connect to microgrids or each home will generate enough power to disconnect from grids entirely and not be reliant on big power companies.
How Microgrids Work
As part of our How Energy Works series, this blog explains how microgrids work.
True but some of those full sized trucks try to drag race. It doesn’t end well. My screen is about 10x larger than phone, plus I still have my phone available.
There are basically 3 repairs: the 9 volt battery ($125), tires (vary) the screen ($1,300) and if the battery ever dies/damaged ($16,000) battery would be steep. It does have a 100,000 mile or 8 year warranty on it. Tesla is currently working on a million mile battery and there are some out there with 500,000 miles on them already.
No air filter, oil changes, or worries about the 700 other parts of an engine that will inevitably break down over time.
To each their own but in time there will be electric trucks as well. Cyber trucks are pretty ugly but I’m pretty certain there’s going to be an electric F150 in the near future.
It’s a goal that does not mean it will happen. That goal use to be around 2025 if you look back a decade or so.
If the Quantum Glass battery is for real, it could solve a lot of weight, replacement, range and charging issues. Wasn't Elon Musk supposed to have battery day last fall and reveal new battery innovations?
This would truly be amazing. Great for national security also. Doubt power companies would easily release their grip though.I think one day (< 20 years) we will connect to microgrids or each home will generate enough power to disconnect from grids entirely and not be reliant on big power companies.
How Microgrids Work
As part of our How Energy Works series, this blog explains how microgrids work.www.energy.gov
I believe Musk stated just the other day of replacing the 12 volt flooded battery with lithium ion, recharged from the main battery pack. One less maintenance item.
You’re making my day. I believe in 5 years or less they’ll have it down to tires and that’s about it.
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