Trade your gas car or truck for electric?
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No. I don’t even have a use for an electric golf cart, mines gas.
Change is coming whether you/we like it or not.y’all did see the article about GM going electric by 2035 I think?
Maybe one day.....range of electrics is the show stopper. I like to travel.
Yes once they improve the battery range and degradation issues in cold weather. Their ranges are very misleading in any cold weather.
The towing capacity also will be cool, pulling the largest 5th wheel you can buy and never worrying about pulling it over grades or having to go purchase a one ton truck.
The towing capacity also will be cool, pulling the largest 5th wheel you can buy and never worrying about pulling it over grades or having to go purchase a one ton truck.
They will have to figure out a way to "quick" charge the batteries, especially along the interstate. No one wants to stand at a charging station for an hour. Heck, I get annoyed when it takes more than 4 minutes to fill up with gas....
This is just so much virtue signaling. Where is the electricity going to come from? And don't start with solar and wind. These are remarkably inefficient technologies and survive only because of government subsidies. Not to mention transmission cost. Nuclear is perhaps the only non-polluting power source that could do the trick. But of course that will have the enviros clutching their pearls faster than you can say "Earth Day."
Even if the electricity comes from fossil fuels, you still end up with cleaner air for drivers and pedestrians. The power plant can be somewhere out of the way.
No. I love the internal combustion engine. I might go for a hybrid for a new car if it cost the same.
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Agree. The only way it is feasible is if Government artificially inflates the cost of fuel and fuel using vehicles.
The benefits of electric vehicles will never be seen In my lifetime.
Take a trip through other countries. The vehicles in central and South America are equivalent to our 1950 vehicles. We might be forced by big Government to accept thier view on climate issues but that's not going to change the world.
The tech is already in progress. A Georgia company thinks they are almost there. It would recharge in the time it takes you to pump gas.
We bought a Tesla P3D+ about 14 months ago. Replaced an Audi Q5 3.0. No regrets. We still have a full size SUV for road trips. The Tesla is crazy fast, handles well, virtually no maintenance, and is fun to drive.
Electric vehicles are torqy and quick. But as others have said, until range and charge times are greatly improved, I’m sticking with my gas-guzzling V-8s.
Another thing to consider; how long will those batteries last? I currently have cars at 200k, 264k, and 198k miles. Will electric car batteries/battery packs last me that kind of duration without being replaced and at what cost?
Another thing to consider; how long will those batteries last? I currently have cars at 200k, 264k, and 198k miles. Will electric car batteries/battery packs last me that kind of duration without being replaced and at what cost?
We are nowhere close to having a battery powered F350 that could tow a camper up the Saluda grade or the Donner pass. Those are battery killers. Got a ways to go.
It's coming sooner than you think. Self driving cars will also change everything.
Change it for our country, but like I said take a trip outside our country, most other countries don't worry about pollution.
Here is the article I read,take it for what it’s worth:
finance.yahoo.com
Gasoline is becoming worthless
Investors are beginning to value internal-combustion technology at 0 or less, which is forcing the faster adoption of electrics at GM, Ford and other automakers.
The US is one of the worst polluters per capita when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions. Way worse than anywhere in Central or South America, as far as I know.
I think you mean hot weather? I've never heard of batteries degrading faster in cold weather. Maybe they discharge faster?
They do in the first world. Hell, I rented a car in Morocco and that thing got the best gas mileage I've ever seen. I thought the gauge was broken. But I think it's the high cost of gasoline, not environmental concerns, that drives them to fuel efficient cars.
Personally, I drive an 8 cylinder. But I'll move to electric when it makes financial sense. The cost of battery replacement is too high now.
where is this from? good image.The US is one of the worst polluters per capita when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions. Way worse than anywhere in Central or South America, as far as I know.
Not believing that chart. Lol In India you can't even breath the air! In Central America the first thing they do (with old Diesels they get from the US) is tear out all the dpf systems and Ren straight Diesel pipes.The US is one of the worst polluters per capita when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions. Way worse than anywhere in Central or South America, as far as I know.
I know some "scientific think tank" probably put that chart out but it doesn't pass common sense.
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One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.
“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.
“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.
“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.
Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles.
“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.”
“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.
“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it”
“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.
“Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .
“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.
"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”
“How so, raw?” inquired Greta.
“Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.
“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta.
“Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”
“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.”
“Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing - being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.”
This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet.
Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.
One crisp winter morning in Sweden, a cute little girl named Greta woke up to a perfect world, one where there were no petroleum products ruining the earth. She tossed aside her cotton sheet and wool blanket and stepped out onto a dirt floor covered with willow bark that had been pulverized with rocks. “What’s this?” she asked.
“Pulverized willow bark,” replied her fairy godmother.
“What happened to the carpet?” she asked.
“The carpet was nylon, which is made from butadiene and hydrogen cyanide, both made from petroleum,” came the response.
Greta smiled, acknowledging that adjustments are necessary to save the planet, and moved to the sink to brush her teeth where instead of a toothbrush, she found a willow, mangled on one end to expose wood fibre bristles.
“Your old toothbrush?” noted her godmother, “Also nylon.”
“Where’s the water?” asked Greta.
“Down the road in the canal,” replied her godmother, ‘Just make sure you avoid water with cholera in it”
“Why’s there no running water?” Greta asked, becoming a little peevish.
“Well,” said her godmother, who happened to teach engineering at MIT, “Where do we begin?” There followed a long monologue about how sink valves need elastomer seats and how copper pipes contain copper, which has to be mined and how it’s impossible to make all-electric earth-moving equipment with no gear lubrication or tires and how ore has to be smelted to a make metal, and that’s tough to do with only electricity as a source of heat, and even if you use only electricity, the wires need insulation, which is petroleum-based, and though most of Sweden’s energy is produced in an environmentally friendly way because of hydro and nuclear, if you do a mass and energy balance around the whole system, you still need lots of petroleum products like lubricants and nylon and rubber for tires and asphalt for filling potholes and wax and iPhone plastic and elastic to hold your underwear up while operating a copper smelting furnace and . . .
“What’s for breakfast?” interjected Greta, whose head was hurting.
"Fresh, range-fed chicken eggs,” replied her godmother. “Raw.”
“How so, raw?” inquired Greta.
“Well, . . .” And once again, Greta was told about the need for petroleum products like transformer oil and scores of petroleum products essential for producing metals for frying pans and in the end was educated about how you can’t have a petroleum-free world and then cook eggs. Unless you rip your front fence up and start a fire and carefully cook your egg in an orange peel like you do in Boy Scouts. Not that you can find oranges in Sweden anymore.
“But I want poached eggs like my Aunt Tilda makes,” lamented Greta.
“Tilda died this morning,” the godmother explained. “Bacterial pneumonia.”
“What?!” interjected Greta. “No one dies of bacterial pneumonia! We have penicillin.”
“Not anymore,” explained godmother “The production of penicillin requires chemical extraction using isobutyl acetate, which, if you know your organic chemistry, is petroleum-based. Lots of people are dying, which is problematic because there’s not any easy way of disposing of the bodies since backhoes need hydraulic oil and crematoriums can’t really burn many bodies using as fuel Swedish fences and furniture, which are rapidly disappearing - being used on the black market for roasting eggs and staying warm.”
This represents only a fraction of Greta’s day, a day without microphones to exclaim into and a day without much food, and a day without carbon-fibre boats to sail in, but a day that will save the planet.
Tune in tomorrow when Greta needs a root canal and learns how Novocain is synthesized.
Better chance I eat nothing but healthy food during the super bowl.
2035 or 2050 may be enough time to build it out, but as has been observed by previous posters, charging must be faster, time for driving increased, and most importantly, convenient charging stations available. The infrastructure will need to be in place before there is widespread acceptance.
Car companies are towing the line of liberal politicians. What happens when gas becomes worthless? Older Internal combustion engines will skyrocket in value until government makes them unlawful to be operated. State and Federal Governments have been subsidizing EVs for almost 20 years and their lifecycle costs have only increased, not decreased. Such costs obviously include disposal costs — which are enormous when the environment is considered.Here is the article I read,take it for what it’s worth:
Gasoline is becoming worthless
Investors are beginning to value internal-combustion technology at 0 or less, which is forcing the faster adoption of electrics at GM, Ford and other automakers.
It's per capita. India has 4 times the population of the US crammed into a country that's only 1/3 the size of the US.
The US produced roughly twice as much CO2 as India in 2017 (5,107 megatons compared to 2,454), but per capita the disparity is much greater (15.7 tons per average American compared to 1.8 tons per average Indian).
List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions - Wikipedia
Whatever they do to diesels in Central America doesn't come close to making up for how much more the average American drives.
The problem is you have to supply the grid as another poster said. The government is pretty much bankrupt and I don't see a complete change over to electric with so called subsidies. Another question is what do you do with used out panels that take up multi acres of land that now are useless. How about the batteries that wear out? What are you going to do with all them? Last point is plants need CO2 for growth. Are you now going to starve them? Wind farms are only useful in a substantial windy area that have problems with birds. The globalist want a way to control the people. Now they have a virus and so called climate change agenda to get what they want. Socialist's Utopia is never achieved, but if it makes them feel good that's all that matters.
this chart is silly, it it just co2. not all pollution. of all the pollution in the world co2 is the least dangerous. i exhale it all day long inside my mask that the govt says i must wear and i haven't shown any ill affects.The US is one of the worst polluters per capita when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions. Way worse than anywhere in Central or South America, as far as I know.
I drink water all day with no ill effects, but it can still kill you if you drink too much.
The US is one of the worst polluters per capita when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions. Way worse than anywhere in Central or South America, as far as I know.
That’s because they don’t have vehicles nor can they afford them Lmfaooo
The batteries are so expensive when they start going bad you will need to hit a tree and total the car.
The ole yota will still be chugging along way past then. Lol
No
As many have stated:
- Infrastructure needed to charge.
- Still need electricity which is made by fossil fuels or nuclear most of the time.
- Battery disposal will be a nightmare.
- I understand a battery meltdown is very difficult to extinguish.
- Way too long to wait on a charge if you’re away from home.
I don’t think the batteries are “green” at all. I don’t see why we wouldn’t use fossil fuels with a big emphasis on filtering the emissions.
As many have stated:
- Infrastructure needed to charge.
- Still need electricity which is made by fossil fuels or nuclear most of the time.
- Battery disposal will be a nightmare.
- I understand a battery meltdown is very difficult to extinguish.
- Way too long to wait on a charge if you’re away from home.
I don’t think the batteries are “green” at all. I don’t see why we wouldn’t use fossil fuels with a big emphasis on filtering the emissions.
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Not to be a smarty but how did plants survived before the industrial revolution and for the last millions of years?
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