Why won't Rollerdude answer these questions. Rollerdude, please answer SOSs questions.
War on Hydroxychloroquine.
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You really need to read critically
Joint ISAC and Elsevier statement on Gautret et al. paper [PMID 32205204]
The use of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine as a potential prevention or treatment for COVID-19 has been reported anecdotally but there is currently no large-scale data available on its safety and efficacy for this use. The WHO has included chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine as one of four drugs to be evaluated in the SOLIDARITY mega-trial.
The paper entitled “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial” (Gautret P et al. PMID 32205204) reports a small-scale trial of hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for COVID-19.
Concerns have been raised regarding the content, the ethical approval of the trial and the process that this paper underwent to be published within International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.
In response, we want to clarify that the journal’s standard peer review process was followed in the publication of this paper. To minimize potential bias, as one of the paper’s authors is the Editor in Chief of the journal, the Editor in Chief was not involved in the peer review of the manuscript, and that following the established standard process, the manuscript's peer-review was delegated to an Associate Editor.
At present, additional independent peer review is ongoing to ascertain whether concerns about the research content of the paper have merit. Given this process of post-publication assessment is on-going, it would be premature to comment at this time. The study authors have been contacted and asked to address the concerns. Depending on the nature of their response, a correction to the scientific record may be considered in accordance with the policies of Elsevier and the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE): https://www.elsevier.com/editors/perk/corrections-to-the-record.
Source : https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement
Expertscape ranks physicians world wide across a range of medical specialties. It helps people track down the best doctors for second opinions. I provided the link. And yes I think I will stick with his findings above anyone else’s that you have mentioned. Communicable diseases is his lifes work and he is rated the best in his field.
You are not referring to the 1061 patient study that was released yesterday you were referring to an older 80 patient study. At least do a modicum of investigation before dismissing others contributions.
1). Of course it’s not hypocritical. If someone is dying and a medical doctor wants to try something, anything, I’m ok with it. It doesn’t mean I expect- or will predict- a cure.
HOWEVER, that is different than advocating for a therapy that lacks scientific proof - yet.
2. The drug is currently used for compassionate care. It’s not as if it’s not being used. It is clearly being used. So your concern for time for testing is nonsense. We can do both.
3. “Looks like the evidence that is being gathered backs Trump’s observation about HCL.”. - That you belong to a cult doesn’t excuse everyone else from having common sense. That is why proper testing is needed.
“Many U.S. hospitals are currently using hydroxychloroquine as first-line therapy for hospitalized patients with COVID-19 despite extremely limited clinical data supporting its effectiveness,” said Wesley Self, M.D., M.P.H., emergency medicine physician at Vanderbilt University Medical Center and PETAL Clinical Trials Network investigator leading the ORCHID trial. “Thus, data on hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 are urgently needed to inform clinical practice.”
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this post was not directed at me. Why would I answer for someone else’s post? Wake up.
The study yesterday is not peer reviewed. So far, all we have to go on is his word. Sorry. That doesn’t cut it.
His earlier study was full of problems and doctors in France tried to replicate it -and failed.
Your #1 expert has a lot of work to do. I hope he’s right. But trusting his study is another matter yet to be realized.
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I'm asking you to answer these questions. Will you, for me, please? The post applied to you too in my opinion
It didn’t apply to me at all. I’ve already said De Blaiso was wrong, what he said was stupid. Why would I answer for something I didn’t even say? I didn’t make those comparisons in that post.
sorry, I’m not answering for someone else’s post regarding things they said. That makes no sense.
Not my #1 expert, the worlds #1 expert. I’ll trust his study of over 1,000 patients vs the nothing you have provided.
At least after I explained where you were referencing the wrong study your reading comprehension improved. You are welcome.
Well I guess it’s great that the trump medicine is being used by some It gives us a lot more data points than a small trial
I don’t have to provide it. He does.
I don’t trust research studies without evidence and certainly not based solely on someone’s resume.
It’s his job to provide the research and make it available for peer reviewed studies so others can duplicate it. Otherwise, it’s just noise.
Now it’s “Trump’s medicine?
do you give him credit for your heart beating and teeth cleaning appointments too?
I realize he’s your messiah but the hero Worship is a bit silly.
I just support our president regardless. I’m a American If jFK was our leader and he was discussing it I would call it JFK med. matter of fact I loved jfk ask not what your country can do for you. Wish the Democrats would embrace that these days
Cult? I am not a Trump supporter. But when he is being unfairly attacked, I will support his viewpoint. The same when Obama was being beaten up. It’s the issue.
You have reciting a mantra - that HCL is not proven. In essence calling to question its efficacy. Are you trying to dissuade people from taking it? But then you turn around and say you will take it. Somehow that seems glib.
I don’t. When a politician does something I like and agree with, I’ll offer credit for what they do. I’m not crediting anyone with something they didn’t do. That doesn’t make much sense.
I don’t blindly follow politicians.
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YES, I’m definitely questioning it’s efficacy based on what we know tonight.
Are people on this board deciding to take it based on my opinion? Hmm... I doubt it.
I’m posting links to the CDC and other medical experts involved in the actual testing. They are saying it. I’m simply repeating what they have said,
I’ve said I would take it if there were no other options. If someone tossed me a beach ball with jelly on it and suggested it would help, I’d eat it whole if there were no other options. But I’m not pretending it will work unless there is scientific, verifiable, repeatable, evidenced based results.
He said that just to get a rise out of you and you, as predicted, fell right in the trap... Lmao
I forgive Trump. Your Messiah, Dr. Gupta can't read an simple X-ray and you make excuses for him. Why's Trump held to a higher standard than Gupta when it comes to medical Gaffs.Trump science from today: stating antibiotics can’t keep with the germ (which is a virus)
That’s “real smart” alright.
Real science: antibiotics aren’t used to fight viruses.
Maybe so. It’s hard to tell with the hero Worship offered to a buffoon like trump from right wingers
I offered no excuses for Gupta. I said he got it wrong. I don’t care about a tv doctor.
I also said he stated he wasn’t trying to offer a diagnosis- which is what he said.
I also said that he said the X-ray looked pretty good which is which is also what he said.
and he mentioned he could tell he didn’t have pneumonia.
If you think me saying he got it wrong sounds like I made an excuse for him, that’s fine. You can be wrong again. No argument from me.
Rollerdude is all over the place spewing hate about Trump. Well, some posters want to know why your criticism is so selective. Are you going to keep this up all the way to November? Like CNN and MSNBC? Are you working for Biden on his election campaign? Make sure Joe stays awake when he speaks.
Anyway, in a past post you noted that Trump said something in February that bothers you? Why is it that what Fauci, your hero, said in February (minimal danger to the US) not bother you? Why is it that what Pelosi said in Early March encouraging people to go to Chinatown in San Francisco and celebrate not bother you? Why is it that what De Blasio said in February, minimizing the effects of the virus not bother you? Bias!! Try not to dodge this question.
1) Trump, as President, lies so much that he doesn’t get any benefit of the doubt from me. sorry.
2) likely because I didn’t know Pelosi said such a stupid thing. She’s a goofball. Always has been, always will be.
3) I’ve already commented several times on the mayor of New York’s recklessly dumb comments on this board (not wreckless as Fox News likes to spell it). You need to pay attention so you don’t have to ask questions that have been answered.
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Trump Medicine, bahaha.. Didn't you know that right after he finishes those afternoon briefings he throws on a lab coat & its back to the White House basement in a room full of test tubes & petri dishes where he works thru the night only stopping occasionally to tweet out something completely incoherent.,
With 100% certainity I can tell you this. If this drug is somehow found to be this wonder drug (and I don't care if its this or something else I just want FAST) this will always be known as the Trump Drug, or something similar, among the cult portion of Trump supporters. The poor SOB's that actually did the work will receive little or no cedit. If it's not, then Trump will, correctly, say he never said this was 100% certain. In that case his supporters quickly take up that mantra & move on. So Trump has created a win only situation for himself. Transparent as hell to anyone except those easily duped.
A few years back one of my brothers was diagnosed with lung cancer. He was told he had, on the optimistic side, a few months to live but it was more likely a matter of weeks. I called my oldest brother (who was at the time, very active in the field of Bioengineering) to tell him the news. He said, "I can help him, I've been working with a doctor in Korea who has developed a cure for cancer with a stem cell treatment". The doctor had given talks on the treatment to doctors at Duke and Johns Hopkins. Because of FDA guidelines he couldn't treat patients in the US. My brother would have to go to Korea for the treatment. By the time all of the red tape could be cleared for him to fly to Korea, he was on oxygen full-time, he encountered more red tape because of the amount of oxygen he would need for the flight over. Doctors told him he might not survive the flight. Long story short, he made it to Korea and after 5 weeks of treatment he no longer needed oxygen and though the Korean doctor told him he needed to complete 2 more weeks, he wanted to come home. The doctor gave him a month's supply of medicine. My brother came back and it was extraordinary, he was riding his bike 2 miles a day. He was the administrative head of the MUSC Pharmacy at the time. He started having some issues with getting unusually irritable and asked one of the doctors at MUSC for advice and the doctor told him to stop taking the medicine he had been prescribed in Korea because one contained a steroid. He developed a lung infection and was dead a week later.
I haven't looked at FDA approval or U.S. physicians quite the same since then.
I haven't looked at FDA approval or U.S. physicians quite the same since then.
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Greatest con ever. Not only did Obama lie repeatedly about this, he ended up costing hardworking Americans a ton of money.
Maybe I missed a previous thread in this question. What is the normal daily or monthly fatality rate in America pre covid and current?
Population of the US is 328,000,000
On average 7,700 die each day
Annual average deaths 2,800,000
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