Reached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
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Reached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
We old Carolina alumni have been posing that question for over half a century. The answer I think is that Clemson football has had a more loyal fan base and more support from the trustees than we have. The record speaks for itself.Reached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
We old Carolina alumni have been posing that question for over half a century. The answer I think is that Clemson football has had a more loyal fan base and more support from the trustees than we have. The record speaks for itself.
I know that in the 70's and 80's, there was a lot of unwanted influence being exerted on the athletic program by certain trustees and board members who believed they knew better than coaches and athletic staff. Throw in the whole Holderman debacle and you in up with a cluster.
BINGOClemson got a once in a generation player in Deshaun Watson that created success that allowed higher level recruiting and to build the program. Plus a staff that kept grinding through mid level success.
We were breaching mid level success under Spurrier but our staff stopped grinding and building.
Lets start with an easier question like " what is the meaning of life" then work our way up to the hard stuff like why the Gamecocks haven't succeeded in football.
This is true recently. Historically, because our Athletic Department and Board are a bunch of ass grabbing good old boys that couldn't manage my sock drawer. Tanner is all about tradition, it seems, cause that guy is a throwback to King Dixon.Clemson got a once in a generation player in Deshaun Watson that created success that allowed higher level recruiting and to build the program. Plus a staff that kept grinding through mid level success.
We were breaching mid level success under Spurrier but our staff stopped grinding and building.
If Tanner is as similar to King Dixon as you suggest, then we are DOOMED! Dixon SUCKED as an AD@This is true recently. Historically, because our Athletic Department and Board are a bunch of ass grabbing good old boys that couldn't manage my sock drawer. Tanner is all about tradition, it seems, cause that guy is a throwback to King Dixon.
If Tanner is as similar to King Dixon as you suggest, then we are DOOMED! Dixon SUCKED as an AD@
Dixon certainly botched the George Felton situation and subsequent coaching search, which produced Steve Newton.
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Because of everything you just listed.Reached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
Ok this is tough pill to swallow but here it is .... Expectations and Accountablity . We accept mediocrity and chalk it up to “Well it’s Carolina Football , it is what it is “ and they don’t . Tommy Bowden could have coached here for 20 years and we would have been happy as s@$t to go 8-4 every year and be bowl eligible . Look at Ken Hatfield’s record after Danny Ford .... they fired him for it . We accept that being Competitive and bowl eligible is good enough , they don’t . What does Dabo do his first day , fires his OC . What happens after Tavon Austin and WVU drop 70 on them in the Orange Bowl... DC is fired immediately and they break the bank on Venerables . Elite programs are elite because they demand Elite Results and not excuses . Hell we are already making excuses for next season and the season is barely over . That’s the difference . If we go 5-7 next year I GUARANTEE nothing happens . We blame the schedule , injuries , Spurrier , facilities , referees , global warming , honeybee decline , immigration , Santa Claus etc etc etc .. Its a simple equation .. we don’t win big because we don’t recruit big . We don’t recruit big because we don’t win . We don’t win big because other than 3 or four years in our history do we have coaches capable of beating teams with with superior talent . Sucks but it is what it is . If we would have hired Spurrier from Duke before he got to UF , who knows where we might be . Muschamp has done a hell of a job rebuilding and recruiting but until that translates into knocking off quality opponents the circle keeps going and the Gap gets wider and wider .
Our program didn't start with Steve Spurrier. He was a bright spot in an otherwise desolate history of sucking."Steve Spurrier got lazy", is the answer to the OP. He admitted as much after he decided to leave the program while explaining what happened to the program. He was / we were in the catbird seat with 5 consecutive wins against our in state rivals. We were recruiting well enough to play with any team until he thought his name was good enough to attract top recruits. I like Spurrier, and I'm thankful for the memories that I may not have had he not coached for us, but his complacency hurt us.
Clemson's didn't start with Danny Ford either. They had some success under Ford but became semi-mediocre some time afterward.Our program didn't start with Steve Spurrier. He was a bright spot in an otherwise desolate history of sucking.
Reached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
This. While Danny Ford was building a championship program at CU, South Carolina was saddled by the destabilizing forces of politics and a weak AD structure. Rather than a strong AD to tie the athletic department together, we had a cult of personality with fiefdoms led by Carlen and McGuire, with the University president essentially acting as AD. The BOT's loyalties were similarly split, as was the fanbase's loyalties. Also, an unhealthy amount of influence by pols across Sumter Street from the Horseshoe, primarily those named Blatt. It was a poisonous set of circumstances.
Prior to that, we allowed one man (Dietzel) to lead us out of the ACC with no plan for the future, which led to 20 years in the wilderness of college athletics.
Carolina has only existed under a strong AD structure since Marcum came on board in '82. It has steadily improved since then, but the athletic department was so fractured and destabilized from decades of the factors previously mentioned, it has been a long, slow process toward recovery.
Add to all of this, the mixed blessing of SEC membership since '92, with annual top ten strength of schedule in football, while Clemson mops up in a much weaker ACC, and that, my friend, is a good start to answering your question.
We refuse to pay players and do other things. Take care of the parents, etc. Before you say they don't do that and you are bitter read the probation they received in the 80sReached the level of success that Clemson has in football? I just dont understand it,we have the fan support, facilities ,money,and conference affiliation to be as successful as any team in the country in my opinion.
And maybe most importantly is the schedule. They may have one ACC game each year that is competitive. They can roll out the balls and win 9- 10 games. USC doesn't have that luxury. Playing a schedule like USC has next year becomes a cumulative thing. It wears a team down as the year goes along.
Ok this is tough pill to swallow but here it is .... Expectations and Accountablity . We accept mediocrity and chalk it up to “Well it’s Carolina Football , it is what it is “ and they don’t . Tommy Bowden could have coached here for 20 years and we would have been happy as s@$t to go 8-4 every year and be bowl eligible . Look at Ken Hatfield’s record after Danny Ford .... they fired him for it . We accept that being Competitive and bowl eligible is good enough , they don’t . What does Dabo do his first day , fires his OC . What happens after Tavon Austin and WVU drop 70 on them in the Orange Bowl... DC is fired immediately and they break the bank on Venerables . Elite programs are elite because they demand Elite Results and not excuses . Hell we are already making excuses for next season and the season is barely over . That’s the difference . If we go 5-7 next year I GUARANTEE nothing happens . We blame the schedule , injuries , Spurrier , facilities , referees , global warming , honeybee decline , immigration , Santa Claus etc etc etc .. Its a simple equation .. we don’t win big because we don’t recruit big . We don’t recruit big because we don’t win . We don’t win big because other than 3 or four years in our history do we have coaches capable of beating teams with with superior talent . Sucks but it is what it is . If we would have hired Spurrier from Duke before he got to UF , who knows where we might be . Muschamp has done a hell of a job rebuilding and recruiting but until that translates into knocking off quality opponents the circle keeps going and the Gap gets wider and wider .
Go to a site called teamrankings.com and compare Clemson's strength of schedule with UofSC over the last few years. The results may surprise you...
And before you ask, yes, you can compare just the regular season schedules. Same results.