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I agree, but still if he was committed to a national power. He wouldnt have slipped to 5.7 3 star.I know most of the members strangely care about Rivals rankings only, but the 247 composite is the best measurement.
Yes. Rivals seems to almost ALWAYS do this to our top recruits.I know most of the members strangely care about Rivals rankings only, but the 247 composite is the best measurement.
He probably wouldn't have committed to us if he was legitimately a high 4 star.I agree, but still if he was committed to a national power. He wouldnt have slipped to 5.7 3 star.
Tell that to ESPNHe probably wouldn't have committed to us if he was legitimately a high 4 star.
Tell that to ESPN
Yeah.. what does ESPN know about sports, honestly 🙄ESPN Had Brian Maddox as like a top 20 recruit for a long time too.
Probably not the best source.
Feel free to place unrealistic expectations on the kid if you want.Yeah.. what does ESPN know about sports, honestly 🙄
Rivals, who you are defending,, gave a player who didn't exist a 3* rating, and you are attacking ESPN's credibility. PricelessESPN Had Brian Maddox as like a top 20 recruit for a long time too.
Probably not the best source.
Were these offers commitable?Braden's an interesting prospect. He had offers from Bama, Arky, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, FSU, UGA, LSU, PSU, Oregon, Stanford, UT, A&M, and VaTech among others. He must not be a total chump.
Were these offers commitable?
How about none of them? All of these people are NEWS people. None of them are coaches. None of them are professional scouts. They are mostly hype and many are parrots, just repeating what they hear. Pay attention to the time of year. This is June. Traditionally, they make these changes in June each year. Have these players gotten worse or improved without having played a single game since last November? Of course not. June is the time of year when recruiting really gets cranked up and teams start having summer camps and more on campus visits and offers go out. These recruiting services pick up on that and change their rankings based on what the schools are doing and who is getting offers and where those offers are from. It's a chicken and egg thing. They are not predictors of talent, they are followers of talent. Then they publish their rankings, get lots of clicks, make lots of money, and when Alabama, Ohio State, and other top programs end up with the highest recruiting rankings, many fans say, "see, these rankings must be accurate since all the top programs have all the highest rankings". It's a con game and a lot of fans buy into it. They are in the business to make money, not predict talent.I know most of the members strangely care about Rivals rankings only, but the 247 composite is the best measurement.
These lists are just self reported. If a kid can’t actually commit to a school is it a real offer?I dunno. The only ones who could answer that question are the head coaches from the respective schools. Nevertheless, you don't put an offer list like that together if there's not something there. Not saying it's a guarantee he'll be good, but it's a sign that a lot of pretty good coaches thought highly enough of him to extend an offer.
Yeah, the truth hurts, but "settling" for USC counts as a negative data point to many.I agree, but still if he was committed to a national power. He wouldnt have slipped to 5.7 3 star.
This argument is always used, however, the schools doing all the winning are the ones loaded with 4 and 5 star talent. Our neighbors to the north have been very good. Is it because their talent is elite, or are you going to admit that Dabo and staff are actually good coaches?How about none of them? All of these people are NEWS people. None of them are coaches. None of them are professional scouts. They are mostly hype and many are parrots, just repeating what they hear. Pay attention to the time of year. This is June. Traditionally, they make these changes in June each year. Have these players gotten worse or improved without having played a single game since last November? Of course not. June is the time of year when recruiting really gets cranked up and teams start having summer camps and more on campus visits and offers go out. These recruiting services pick up on that and change their rankings based on what the schools are doing and who is getting offers and where those offers are from. It's a chicken and egg thing. They are not predictors of talent, they are followers of talent. Then they publish their rankings, get lots of clicks, make lots of money, and when Alabama, Ohio State, and other top programs end up with the highest recruiting rankings, many fans say, "see, these rankings must be accurate since all the top programs have all the highest rankings". It's a con game and a lot of fans buy into it. They are in the business to make money, not predict talent.
How about none of them? All of these people are NEWS people. None of them are coaches. None of them are professional scouts. They are mostly hype and many are parrots, just repeating what they hear. Pay attention to the time of year. This is June. Traditionally, they make these changes in June each year. Have these players gotten worse or improved without having played a single game since last November? Of course not. June is the time of year when recruiting really gets cranked up and teams start having summer camps and more on campus visits and offers go out. These recruiting services pick up on that and change their rankings based on what the schools are doing and who is getting offers and where those offers are from. It's a chicken and egg thing. They are not predictors of talent, they are followers of talent. Then they publish their rankings, get lots of clicks, make lots of money, and when Alabama, Ohio State, and other top programs end up with the highest recruiting rankings, many fans say, "see, these rankings must be accurate since all the top programs have all the highest rankings". It's a con game and a lot of fans buy into it. They are in the business to make money, not predict talent.
You completely missed the point and are a prime example of what I was talking about. You apparently fall for the line "since the top teams have the highest ratings the ratings must be accurate." These services make money off people like you.This argument is always used, however, the schools doing all the winning are the ones loaded with 4 and 5 star talent. Our neighbors to the north have been very good. Is it because their talent is elite, or are you going to admit that Dabo and staff are actually good coaches?
They make zero money off me because I don't pay a dime for it. You seem to believe that there rankings are made up and are just based on what schools give them offers. You're the most naive of them all.You completely missed the point and are a prime example of what I was talking about. You apparently fall for the line "since the top teams have the highest ratings the ratings must be accurate." These services make money off people like you.
Ahh, yes they do make money off you. Obviously you don't understand how this internet thing works. From your post you obviously look at these rankings. Every time you click on one of those sites it ups their ratings which is used to gain advertising $.They make zero money off me because I don't pay a dime for it. You seem to believe that there rankings are made up and are just based on what schools give them offers. You're the most naive of them all.
They're basing them on the actions of the coaches you accuse them of not being.What are they basing these changes on???????
Honestly not much.Yeah.. what does ESPN know about sports, honestly 🙄
Literally the biggest, most reputable, longest lasting, best known brand in sports broadcasting knows “not much” about sports? They only pour more money and resources into sports broadcasting, information, analysis… Than any entity in the world. If they don’t know much about sports, please tell us who does. I am really interested to hear this one?Honestly not much.
It was a rhetorical question. As I said in my first post: "...many are parrots, just repeating what they hear", and "They are not predictors of talent, they are followers of talent."They're basing them on the actions of the coaches you accuse them of not being.
As for college football, how about Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, and Jimbo Fisher? Of course this is only scratching the surface. The list could go on, and on, and on.Literally the biggest, most reputable, longest lasting, best known brand in sports broadcasting knows “not much” about sports? They only pour more money and resources into sports broadcasting, information, analysis… Than any entity in the world. If they don’t know much about sports, please tell us who does. I am really interested to hear this one?
That is comparing individuals to an entire sports broadcasting network. That is beyond apples to oranges… It is more like comparing asparagus to the planet Mars.As for college football, how about Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, and Jimbo Fisher? Of course this is only scratching the surface. The list could go on, and on, and on.
No disrespect, but those guys don’t issue star ratings for football players. The ratings/rankings for players seems to be determined by which teams offer them, and where they commit.As for college football, how about Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Mack Brown, and Jimbo Fisher? Of course this is only scratching the surface. The list could go on, and on, and on.
No disrespect, but those guys don’t issue star ratings for football players. The ratings/rankings for players seems to be determined by which teams offer them, and where they co
"If they don’t know much about sports, please tell us who does." That was the question. You're going off on tangents. The question didn't ask what networks, or who that issues star rankings know more.That is comparing individuals to an entire sports broadcasting network. That is beyond apples to oranges… It is more like comparing asparagus to the planet Mars.
Broadcast. Yes. Knowledge? Echo chamber.Literally the biggest, most reputable, longest lasting, best known brand in sports broadcasting knows “not much” about sports? They only pour more money and resources into sports broadcasting, information, analysis… Than any entity in the world. If they don’t know much about sports, please tell us who does. I am really interested to hear this one?
Tow that line boy.These comments and this discussion does not exist in a vaccume started from a point of your choosing. There is a clear subject at hand, and a clear line of thought being perpetuated and you @JGH 35 were the one who took off a tangent.
You are the one that asked the question. I answered the specific question you asked. If you didn't mean the question you asked you should have asked a different one. That's on you.These comments and this discussion does not exist in a vaccume started from a point of your choosing. There is a clear subject at hand, and a clear line of thought being perpetuated and you @JGH 35 were the one who took off a tangent.
It was a rhetorical question. As I said in my first post: "...many are parrots, just repeating what they hear", and "They are not predictors of talent, they are followers of talent."