but they don't have a vet school . that's a head scratcher
Clemson professors planning walkout
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A college professor is like a school teacher. School teachers typically teach in school houses. These are like big houses where young people gather inside to be taught. Those young people are called "students" who "study" what is taught to them.
These big houses - schools - often have many rooms called class rooms. A group of students is often called a "class" of students. These class rooms are typically connected with many hallways and corridors. There can also be other rooms for offices, studying (besides class rooms), restrooms, even rooms where students can go to eat food or talk to each other.
At big schools like Clemson, the number of students can reach into the tens of thousands, all walking, talking, and studying in the same class rooms, hallways, etc. Those rooms and areas can often be quite crowded. Therefore YES it is difficult for professors to stay 6 feet away from their students on a day-to-day, week-to-week basis.....
Removing mask mandates does not preclude professors from wearing a mask if they so choose. Mask mandates force people to wear masks who would otherwise choose not to if given the option. Only one of these scenarios violates the non-aggression principle.
Folks do not grasp the concept of personal liberty which is applicable to masking.
"One person's right to swing their fist ends where another person's nose begins".
"One person's right to swing their fist ends where another person's nose begins".
I don't believe in mask mandates in schools. I wasn't judging them. I was just surprised, given all of the media coverage and the messages I had received from the school district, that no one was wearing them. I was happy that they weren't wearing them. My wife, my son, and I all walked in with masks on because we were being respectful of what we thought were their wishes. We all removed our masks after realizing that no one cared. And I won't be sending my child to school with one now that I know the teachers at his school aren't paranoid.
So they wait till all the kids get moved in to their dorms and then threaten this?
If you want to live your life in fear, then Simply stay home. A mask does not work. Stop feeding the BS coming from overreaching government.
We take risks everyday. That's life. My point was based on risk analysis. The likelihood of having serious complications/death from COVID is very small. 99.7% of the population survives COVID. And as several people have pointed out, the flu numbers are now non-existent. So that number likely is even smaller.
Age is the #1 factor in COVID complications and death by a long shot:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
The 2nd leading factor is obesity. Outside of COVID, obesity kills about 400,000 Americans per year. Imagine if we declared war on obesity vs COVID? Eliminated all of the ultra processed crap in the grocery stores and fast food outlets. Two birds with one stone.
Race is also a factor:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201.../hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html
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Let's assume for the sake of discussion that a Clemson professor is a 53-year old white male who lives in SC.
Looking at the charts, approximately 260 people have died in South Carolina from COVID based on the aforementioned demographics.
https://scdhec.gov/covid19/sc-testing-data-projections-covid-19
That's 260 people in almost 20 months in a state of over 6,000,000 people with over 20,000,000 visitors per year.
If that professor was not obese, but rather exercised on some regular basis and kept his vitamin D/C/E and Zinc status up - that number would likely be far under 100. The figure would also not include accounting for serious respiratory pre-dispositioned individuals.
And this even before you start taking about all of the theraputic interventions that are now available.
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If this continues there will be a lot of forfeits this year and the stadiums will be filled with cardboard for the games that are allowed to be played
Trying to frame mask mandates as somehow being consistent with personal liberty is Orwellian. If you believe a mask protects you, wear one. If not, don't wear one. Nobody is forcing you not to wear a mask. Every single liberty we've ever had in this country will be wiped away because of some vague adherence to "public health".
We'll see if they go through with it. I'm not used to anyone ever trying to rock the boat up there. Dabo may have sent a squad to make sure they're all in
Fantastic summation...thank you!
I remain at a loss for why there are minimal recommendations for folks to beef up their vitamin (C, D, E) and zinc intake in the midst of this virus. That seems to be far more important and effective than putting a piece of cloth over your face for portions of the day. And yet, we continue to hear about masks, masks and more masks.
There are people everywhere that believe that. Not saying I don’t believe it but a skeptic yes.
I just hope the Brave Patriots will keep their butt out of the hospitals when that patriotism, freedom and lack of trust in science erodes due to a breathing problem caused by Covid (or with Covid, whichever you prefer).
If they are as porous and non-effective as you claim then there won't be an issue with CO2 and breathing problems. Stop parroting the bs you see on facebook and start thinking critically.
This isn't a political issue. It is a public health issue. You have been drinking the kool-aid far too long.
Isn't that where they take recruits on their official visits to let them experience the Clemson nightlife?It's funny you bring this up. Was up around Anderson/Pendleton on Saturday and passed the Clem's Son Sheep Farm (there really is one) on Lebanon Rd. I started laughing, my wife asked what about, and then I had to explain. See for yourself....
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As a school teacher I agree with the professors. I wish we had a mask mandate at my school. As it stands right now, after 2 days of classes they're already speculating about having to shut down. We've had quite a few students sent home because they tested positive.
Stay safe. I am fortunate enough to be virtual but I have a ton of respect for those still in the classroom trying to navigate through a Covid year.
There are also people everywhere who think Russia rigged an election. The world is full of conspiracy theorists everywhere.
A CoVid year? Try a lifetime. It’s not going anywhere fast. Chile and Israel have extremely high vax rates. One is battling Lamda and another Delta. University of Tokyo released a study last week suggesting Lambda may completely vax resistant.
Whatever your stance, people have to stop thinking this is going to go away. It’s going to be here a while. Until there’s enough demand for an effective therapeutic, it’s going to be like this. And what I mean is until the public perception feels confident that if they catch it there is effective treatment, we are where we are. The variants will outpace the vaccines for many more years until like the flu most of the world has been exposed to most of the variants.
That’s not pro or anti vax. It’s biology.
For the past year and a half, if I wasn't in my house or in my car, I've worn a mask. It's homemade. 2 layers of fabric with a cloth in between. It's not uncomfortable and I've never had any problems breathing. This has also been the healthiest 18 months of my life. No flu (which I typically get every year)... not even a cold. Have I had Covid? Maybe, but I didn't notice it if I did. I also feel confident that I didn't pass it to anyone else because I was wearing a mask anyway. I also keep Purell in my car and clean my hands every time I get back in.
I was Covid vaccinated as soon as it was available to me (March-April of this year). I carry my vaccination card with me in case someone needs to see it... just like carrying my driver's license. When I grew up in Columbia, everyone had to prove they'd been vaccinated before being allowed in public school. I don't remember anyone complaining. I also don't remember the school being shut down because so many kids got measles or mumps. And I never had a classmate get polio or smallpox because vaccinations had effectively eradicated those by the early 70s (exception... "The last cases of wild type 1 poliovirus occurred in the U.S. among unvaccinated Amish persons and members of other religious groups who did not accept vaccination. The source of the outbreak was determined to have been brought over to the U.S. from the Netherlands by members of an unvaccinated religious group" - immunize.org). Anybody on here have a smallpox scar on their left shoulder? If you don't it's because everyone before you got the smallpox vaccine and we don't have to worry about it anymore. I just don't understand why that's so difficult for so many people this time around.
And yesterday, a friend posted that her father is visiting Phoenix and his blood pressure dropped. They found a tumor on his pancreas and have induced a coma. There is no room in ICU because of all of the Covid patients (>90% unvaccinated) and he can't be transported in his condition. This is the problem we're facing with anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers thinking they're strong enough to handle Covid. They're not considering who else they might be affecting.
Basically, it all boils down to people being selfish. It's all about MY rights and to HELL with everyone else. I know this isn't going to change anyone's mind. People are stubborn and set in their ways and if they've already decided against masks and vaccines, then we're going to be dealing with Covid for a long time. I'll still do my part and wear a mask and wash my hands, and I'll listen to the statements of sick anti-vaxxers who have "seen the light" in the hospital and admit their errant ways as their comments fall on deaf ears.
People suck.
GO COCKS!
I was Covid vaccinated as soon as it was available to me (March-April of this year). I carry my vaccination card with me in case someone needs to see it... just like carrying my driver's license. When I grew up in Columbia, everyone had to prove they'd been vaccinated before being allowed in public school. I don't remember anyone complaining. I also don't remember the school being shut down because so many kids got measles or mumps. And I never had a classmate get polio or smallpox because vaccinations had effectively eradicated those by the early 70s (exception... "The last cases of wild type 1 poliovirus occurred in the U.S. among unvaccinated Amish persons and members of other religious groups who did not accept vaccination. The source of the outbreak was determined to have been brought over to the U.S. from the Netherlands by members of an unvaccinated religious group" - immunize.org). Anybody on here have a smallpox scar on their left shoulder? If you don't it's because everyone before you got the smallpox vaccine and we don't have to worry about it anymore. I just don't understand why that's so difficult for so many people this time around.
And yesterday, a friend posted that her father is visiting Phoenix and his blood pressure dropped. They found a tumor on his pancreas and have induced a coma. There is no room in ICU because of all of the Covid patients (>90% unvaccinated) and he can't be transported in his condition. This is the problem we're facing with anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers thinking they're strong enough to handle Covid. They're not considering who else they might be affecting.
Basically, it all boils down to people being selfish. It's all about MY rights and to HELL with everyone else. I know this isn't going to change anyone's mind. People are stubborn and set in their ways and if they've already decided against masks and vaccines, then we're going to be dealing with Covid for a long time. I'll still do my part and wear a mask and wash my hands, and I'll listen to the statements of sick anti-vaxxers who have "seen the light" in the hospital and admit their errant ways as their comments fall on deaf ears.
People suck.
GO COCKS!
The Branch Covidians in this thread are proof that C.S. Lewis was right all along:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven, yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven, yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
This will be the rallying cry for every dictatorial and authoritarian edict in the foreseeable future. And people like this guy will yearn for more of it, because the average American would rather have a mere perception of safety than be free.
You’re a good poster. We agree some we disagree some but we always keep it respectful.
My prediction is this will run it’s course in another two years. The Spanish Flu ran it’s course and SARS eventually did too
saving lives...how many college aged kids die from covid19? I am guessing alcohol related events will still be a bigger problem.
Our lecture halls give the professors plenty of room and they can wear their masks if they want to. Nobody is getting it the way they are hypothesizing that they will.
Healthcare professionals are face to face with it every day. Maybe they should all walk out. The patients rarely keep their masks on anything besides their chins.
But wait. If masks do work, why can't the professors wear masks and be 100% safe? I am confused.
You're confused because you deliberately refuse to listen to what others tell you over and over since the start of this pandemic. The type of masks normally worn by citizens do NOT make the wearer 100% "safe" - they are used to help the mask wearer minimize spreading the virus to OTHERS. So the professors need the students to wear those masks to keep them - the professors - safer.
The professors could wear N95 masks - which are NOT the type of masks mostly being worn these days by the general public - to help them stay safer, but unless they religiously engage in the other precautions those masks will be wasted. N95 masks are mostly used by trained medical professionals, who use those masks as part of an extensive program that involve MANY other PPE than just the masks. Something that the general public never bothers with.
But you know this. You're like the people that still say, "huh?? smoking cigarettes can cause cancer??"
As a school teacher myself, I disagree with the professors. I am glad we do not have a mask mandate at my school. We just finished our second day in our district and are yet to have an issue. Is it possible we one day go virtual, maybe, but it wont be because of a mask... We have been in this turmoil for well over a year now. If you want to wear a mask, wear one... If not, you shouldn't have to. I do wish more people would get vaccinated, however, I understand if someone chooses not to.
this is what puzzles me. the teachers/professors are more than welcome to continue to wear a non-effective mask
It's the perfect description of how fear is the most powerful emotion on Earth. It will make seemingly rational people abandon any and all pretense of their principles and turn into cult-like minions who want to use the coercive arm of whatever authority rules them to force people to conform.
Lighten up. It’s a running joke Mr. 77 posts since mid 2019. Talk about drive by!….
Masking is like requiring everyone bind their hands, just in case they might decide to hit someone.
With dental floss.
Because the desire to save us is a false front for the desire to rule us. This is almost always the case across the board. The enemy doesn't have to be Covid. The Bush administration said it wanted to save us from the terrorists. Instead it used 9/11 to start an illegitimate war, created the largest surveillance apparatus in world history and further empowered secret courts to collect the personal data of Americans with virtually zero accountability.
Covid is a useful tool of the very rich. The lockdowns and quarantines have seen the largest transfer of wealth from small businesses to large multinational corporations in my lifetime. The family diner gets shutdown during Covid, not Wal Mart or Target. The owner of a small number of rental properties is bankrupted during the eviction moratorium, while companies like BlackRock buy up all these properties and create a nation of people who own nothing. The people who are most fearful of Covid are doing the bidding of the wealthiest people in this country. History will judge them as being complicit in the destruction of the American middle class.
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Chief had a post that I said should be published in editorials all over the US. I now stand corrected. You, as well, should be published!
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Believe that was Paladin on the private convo, but you are correct my friend, both should be published.
Why would you hope they do not go to a hospital? Teach em a lesson or something??? 🙄
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