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Tyler not available because we used him too early Friday.
And our other pitchers not named Schmidt (who's out again), Crowe, or Hill getting teed off on.
But we have the best pitching coach in the Nation. WTFE!!!
Really can't blame the players for throwing in The towel. Who could play for these coaches???
Actually, last I heard, by every measureable stat, we were at or near the top of the SEC in pitching!
Prior to today we had held them to 3 runs in 2 games.
As frustrating as that eight inning collapses was by Bowers and Reagan- who have been two of our worst all season, behind only SCOTT, at blowing leads this year- pitchinis generally not our problem. We don't score enough runs. Today it was bad bullpen work... the rest of the year it has been bad hitting and HORRIBLE calls by our HC that cost us games. I think singling out the pitching coach is pretty misguided. JMHO
I respect our coaches decision not to jeapardize a pitchers future by overextending him 2 weeks after returning from an an arm injury. Could it have won the series and helped to reduce some of the pressure on Chad for a few days?, yes?Would it have been the right thing to do?probably not.This was a game we needed, and I would have gone to Tyler and if we lose it under his arm, so be it...
Our hitters have been putting pressure on the pitchers... Pressure on our pitchers to make perfect pitches to keep the game close...
I was screaming the same Thursday night. Should have waited an inning for TJ .Tyler not available because we used him too early Friday.
And our other pitchers not named Schmidt (who's out again), Crowe, or Hill getting teed off on.
But we have the best pitching coach in the Nation. WTFE!!!
USCBatgirl21Well-Known Member
NewStats don't mean a damn thing when you're losing ballgames because your pitchers are serving it up fat.
Oh really? A .300 batting average is a stat, 20 Homeruns is a stat and 100 RBI. Hell...that's a stat too. You people have "no" clue, what you are talking about. Sure...You can point out a game here and there, where a pitcher, hitter or fielder fails. Stats give you a picture of the entire body of work. Meyers has been a success at Carolina. Careful what you wish for?
Since 2000, Doesn't Carolina have the 2nd most wins in the country? Meyers has been the pitching coach for most of those seasons. Keep making my point...Batgirl!
We lost the series, because we scored "ZERO" runs on Thursday night. So it's the pitching coach's fault, because the pitcher struggles to throw the ball in the strike zone. Then when he finally does, he throws it down the middle?
We lost the series, because we scored "ZERO" runs on Thursday night. So it's the pitching coach's fault, because the pitcher struggles to throw the ball in the strike zone, then when he finally does, he throws it down the middle?
Keep on preaching, I concur.I'm not gauging success on titles. Just simply pointing out yet another "stat" for you. YOU are the one refusing to see that there are problems with our pitching staff/coach, when I and many others, ARE recognizing that the problems we have encompass EVERY facet of the team, yes even your beloved pitching. If the problems with hitting/fielding come down to the coach, then the problems with pitching also must come down to the coach.
The fact that Jack Legget's name has now been suggested as a new coach here illustrates just how bleak the college coaching landscape is regarding potential replacements for Chad. Sometimes you don't know what ya got till it's gone, with apologies to Joni Mitchell.No doubt we have good coaches, but something about this mix we have is not working AT ALL.. Plus Leggett was a good coach. Where did he end up? No one knocking down the doors to pick him and he was a good coach.. Plenty of good coaches that show up to work every day. I feel like we are missing the guy that studies the game and plays to win not just to hang around too late innings and hope for the best. I am sure Holbrook isn't that type of coach but that is the results we are getting and have been getting since he has taken over.. I like Coach Holbrook.. I just don't think he can fix what we need. I don't think he can even see it needs fixing until he looks in the win-loss column at the end of the weekend.. Then it's too late.
Still hoping it turns around.. really thought we were going to pull the series out last weekend. I'm pulling for these players to end on a good note but I have ZERO expectations and what this team is actually capable of doing. So, I will hope for the best and pull for the Gamecocks and hope we can get a little run going to end on a positive note.
No one suggested that Leggett be the coach here. Go back and read.The fact that Jack Legget's name has now been suggested as a new coach here illustrates just how bleak the college coaching landscape is regarding potential replacements for Chad. Sometimes you don't know what ya got till it's gone, with apologies to Joni Mitchell.
This may help: http://www.rif.org/The fact that Jack Legget's name has now been suggested as a new coach here illustrates just how bleak the college coaching landscape is regarding potential replacements for Chad. Sometimes you don't know what ya got till it's gone, with apologies to Joni Mitchell.
Someone hasn't heard of the old adage "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" - Benjamin Disraeli.Like I said...People LIE...Statistics don't. It's insanity, to claim that a pitching coach needs to be replaced, because the pitchers failed in a few games...especially when the pitching staffs numbers are at the top of the league. Pitchers fail in MLB too. Should they get cut or the pitching coach fired?
Not sure the issue is the 3 w/e starters or Johnson....other than perhaps the number of pitches we sometimes make them go. They are very reliable. It's the remainder of the bullpen that is less so.raycock2001Well-Known Member
Newuscbirds...question for you. The opener against UF, we lost 1-0. You state our pitching staff only gave up ONE run, yet got beat because our hitters couldn't get us any. You do realize that the UF staff was the top staff in the SEC don't you. Perhaps we didn't hit because of the top pitching that UF has also. You want to blame our hitters, but give credit to our pitchers, yet don't seem to think other teams pitching is pretty damn good also.
Raycock...Thanks for your fine response. NO...I certainly wasn't trying to say that the Gators don't have excellent pitching. They are right there with Carolina, just behind Ole Miss in staff efficiency. I was simply saying...We did not score! Florida scored 3 runs total...Thursday and Friday combined. They scored 6 runs in 24 innings. That's an F***ing success in anybody's book...except Batgirl and her ilk. She is basically talking about one inning over a weekend and wants to blame the coach over ONE inning. I realize that we blew some other saves earlier in the year (when Johnson was out), because the rest of our pitchers are not closers.