The main point is that you should judge him based on what is actually available to choose from at the time. Ray can't put on a dress and make the position more sexy than it is. If you don't like Lee, who do you think it should be instead that is actually interested in the job? This can't be done ex post facto.
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I only said that about O'Sullivan - who was not coming here. But Tanner tried and tried. But he wasn't. It wouldn't have ever made sense.
If a high profile coach wants to come here, it will be pretty obvious, pretty quickly. It won't take getting down on our knees and begging.
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Everything I've read about this search from the folks who report on this and who know say Ray is talking to some high profile coaches and seeing if they are interested or at least talking enough to rule them out, and maybe find out what they think about other coaches.
I'm not focused on names. I don't have the information behind the scenes to know if any particular coach would be a good fit here. Coach Tanner will know a lot more about that. That doesn't mean they'll win here. But he'll talk to them enough to know if they really want to come. If they don't seem that interested, there is no reason to offer them a job- despite what us fans think about the name.
The fans don't know the particulars with coaches. We like to think we do, but we don't.
Maybe a particular coach wants to stay near their families where they are now, maybe their spouse or a child is near a medical specialist at their current gig and they don't want to leave to come to South Carolina. We just don't know- and would likely never know.
I'm not focused on names. I don't have the information behind the scenes to know if any particular coach would be a good fit here. Coach Tanner will know a lot more about that. That doesn't mean they'll win here. But he'll talk to them enough to know if they really want to come. If they don't seem that interested, there is no reason to offer them a job- despite what us fans think about the name.
The fans don't know the particulars with coaches. We like to think we do, but we don't.
Maybe a particular coach wants to stay near their families where they are now, maybe their spouse or a child is near a medical specialist at their current gig and they don't want to leave to come to South Carolina. We just don't know- and would likely never know.
I can also judge him on who he's previously hired and he has a bad track record of hires. At what point do you hold the AD accountable and say he shouldn't be hiring anyone? Read my previous post. Go after an SEC up and coming assistant. It worked for UT and UGA. From what I read, Lee is Ray's last choice and he didn't have a formal interview as of a few days ago while other coaches did. So it sounds like Lee is a last resort.
I think most people (fans in general, not on here) disagree with your opinion on the matter with Ray.
Who's to say he hasn't talked to them, or called them, or inquired about them? Maybe they aren't interested. Maybe he'll hire one.
I don't think Monte is his last choice. He likely knows he had a good candidate in Monte and he's going to see if any of these other people impress him more than what he already knows.
I don't care what popular opinion is. I think the problem starts with Ray. He hasn't hired one coach that has lasted more than five years. His hires are the reason we haven't been to Omaha in 12 years.
They do put out feelers all over. The Board typically does not disclose these actions unless they get a bite. The last thing they want is the media broadcasting that an assistant at UK turned down the position. There's a bunch that goes on behind the scenes with these coaching searches that the fans are not privy to and the AD does not speak of.
Not to mention, there are assistants in the running for this current position who have expressed interest in the job and have been made public. The State and Charleston Courier report on this daily.
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Did you believe Holbrook was a bad hire? I think he was the obvious hire. The fact he didn't pan out is not on Ray. To a lesser extent, the same could go for Kingston. No one was beating down our door when we hired Kingston. IMO, he was as good of a hire as any candidate that was available at that time.
Yup....people act like div 1 baseball uses 5 bases and no mound or something. You definitely have to recruit...but baseball is bsseball...no matter what level....except maybe rec ball.
I understand the reasoning behind this idea. But I can't get on board with an idea that can turn failures into "good hires". If the guy fails, it's hard to really justify it as a "good hire".
A "home run" hire that dies at the warning track.
Before Dave and I start going back and forth again about this topic, I should clarify that I will support whoever is named baseball coach including Lee.
Everybody is antsy, but it's been less than a week. Whittle thought it should be early this week on Kornblut's show and if not something has gone wrong. I'm with you 77 I trust in Ray, I hope he has spoken to Elander at least!
If you buy a new car which has very good ratings (Toyota, Lexus) it you considered it to be the best option available in your price range....However, it turns out having more issues than expected during the time you own it would you consider it to be your fault for buying the wrong vehicle?
Ray has control over the hiring -- not outcomes.
Smoke Surrounds Major SEC BsB Coaching Search As Top Mid-Major's Players Suddenly Bail For Portal
The South Carolina Gamecocks baseball program is in search of its next head coach. After spending seven seasons in the dugout, Mark Kingston was fired
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Regarding O'Sullivan, UF barely snuck into the NCAA tournament after a very average season and are now back in Omaha. That guy is a heckuva coach.
Why is no one throwing Eric Bakish name around? Stealing the Clemson coach would be fun, right?
Our Texas athletic director was at TCU when Tony was an assistant coach. Rumor is that they didn't get along. Maybe they didn't or maybe that is BS, but they certainly know each other well.
For me this baseball hire should be a no brainer. Hire Landon Powell. There is not a man coaching baseball
anywhere that would work harder for success than Landon. He is a Gamecock Hall of Famer and will always be. He played in the Minors and Majors; he has that experience under his belt.
I love this quote from Landon. "Having a unique perspective of coming from the professional world of baseball to the college level, I wanted to look for players that had the skills that I knew pro scouts would like, but may have been overlooked by major division 1 programs. I knew it would not be easy but I was also very confident that we could develop players." By the way NG is Powells only coaching job, he hadn't been an assistant at the college level. The man is a baseball coach.
Baseball is baseball no matter where it's played, D1, D2, or D3., we all know that the difference is player talent level.
I am beyond impressed with what Powell has done at NG and I believe he will continue this success wherever his first D1 Head coaching job leads him. Why not the University of South Carolina??
Just a side note. Tony Vitello had never been a head coach when he was hired by Tennesse.
anywhere that would work harder for success than Landon. He is a Gamecock Hall of Famer and will always be. He played in the Minors and Majors; he has that experience under his belt.
I love this quote from Landon. "Having a unique perspective of coming from the professional world of baseball to the college level, I wanted to look for players that had the skills that I knew pro scouts would like, but may have been overlooked by major division 1 programs. I knew it would not be easy but I was also very confident that we could develop players." By the way NG is Powells only coaching job, he hadn't been an assistant at the college level. The man is a baseball coach.
Baseball is baseball no matter where it's played, D1, D2, or D3., we all know that the difference is player talent level.
I am beyond impressed with what Powell has done at NG and I believe he will continue this success wherever his first D1 Head coaching job leads him. Why not the University of South Carolina??
Just a side note. Tony Vitello had never been a head coach when he was hired by Tennesse.
I know a lot of people do not want to hear this, but we need to Just Trust Ray.
I thought he was crazy when he hired Lamont. After that first season, I was more than anyone ready to FIRE Ray. Boy was I wrong. Go back and look at how Paris has them playing, and how he puts in unpredicted subs at odd times. He was developing a winning team. He knew exactly what they needed and when.
After watching what Lamount did this past season, and what Ray did to make sure he stays around, I will say it again,
Just Trust Ray.
Not only will he bring in the right Baseball coach, and it may take a year to see that, but I feel he will bring in the right Softball coach too. He sure brought in the right Basketball coach. And he dang sure knows Baseball way better than Basketball.
I thought he was crazy when he hired Lamont. After that first season, I was more than anyone ready to FIRE Ray. Boy was I wrong. Go back and look at how Paris has them playing, and how he puts in unpredicted subs at odd times. He was developing a winning team. He knew exactly what they needed and when.
After watching what Lamount did this past season, and what Ray did to make sure he stays around, I will say it again,
Just Trust Ray.
Not only will he bring in the right Baseball coach, and it may take a year to see that, but I feel he will bring in the right Softball coach too. He sure brought in the right Basketball coach. And he dang sure knows Baseball way better than Basketball.
There's an article out there that mentions the coaches name. I am excited about him but if the assistants names are true we are going to get good fast.
Just when I think Ray Tanner can't outdumb himself with hires, he goes and hires a 67 year old coach.
It could be a good shorter-term hire. Top-level coach who could also steady the ship with recruits.
Unironically, about the same age as Spurrier when he made his big run at USC.
You remember him Watson. It's his tenure which is the basis for most all of your criticism directed at the program since that point in time.
Might be just what we need... some old school baseball. I can get on board with the opposite of whatever it was Kingston tried to bring here.
Overall it's a good hire. Similar to Lou Holtz in football-maybe a step above. And he wouldn't have a major rebuilding job like Lou taking over a one win team the season before.
I dont see him getting all wishy washy or reluctant to play the game a certain way. I gotta think he'd have us ready to play however we need to... just like winners do. I would suspect he has a ton of confidence in what he does as well. All of that is a nice change. Perhaps it is short term. Perhaps the next Gamecock coach can learn under him. Who knows? This could work out well. Based on where we were coming from, I like it.
Considering some of our best years in football were with retirement age coaches, maybe it's the way to go.
You forget it took spurrier 5 years to build the team. So that means Manieri will start his run at 72?
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