I considered starting a new thread for paranormal. I personally have experience there but not aliens.I think we would be naïve to think we are the only civilization in this vast universe. Bigger question is do you believe spirits/ghosts?
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I considered starting a new thread for paranormal. I personally have experience there but not aliens.I think we would be naïve to think we are the only civilization in this vast universe. Bigger question is do you believe spirits/ghosts?
Let's assume that the universe is quite big. Why does that necessarily mean that there are aliens out there that can view us from above? And why do we conclude that these aliens have the same sense of right and wrong that we do, allowing them to conclude on how we treat each other?
There is life out there. But the idea that they've found us in the virtually limitless expanse of space is as much a virtual impossibility as the probability that they don't even exist. As in, they're there, but we'll never see them, and they'll never see us except by sheer dumb luck. I'm not so egotistical as to think that we are alone, nor am I such to think we're important enough that they've somehow sought us out.
There is life out there. But the idea that they've found us in the virtually limitless expanse of space is as much a virtual impossibility as the probability that they don't even exist. As in, they're there, but we'll never see them, and they'll never see us except by sheer dumb luck. I'm not so egotistical as to think that we are alone, nor am I such to think we're important enough that they've somehow sought us out.
No, that the conditions to support life are so unique and could only have ever occurred on this mud ball and none of the other trillions of trillions of mud balls. It's not peculiar, if you apply actual critical thinking. Out there, where trillions of trillions of planets exist the odds that not one can support life is a ridiculous claim. Call it ego, or arrogance or whatever to believe that we, on this planet are so special and unique that the conditions to create life would never be replicated or even exceeded. We are not special. We are meat bags on a mud ball hurtling through space around a ball of burning gas. If you can look at that and honestly say there's no way it could ever happen anywhere else or even in ways you couldn't begin to fathom, I'd call you unimaginative. Granted, I can't fathom those details either; our brains are not meant to comprehend such magnitude. But the general idea, I can start to grasp that.Why exactly is a belief that we are alone an egotistical one? This seems to be a popular assertion, but is somewhat peculiar. Those of us that don't quite believe in something that hasn't been observed or otherwise proven in some form or fashion, have a large ego??
The universe is far too vast. Any two random occurrences have such a small chance of occurring close enough to one another to be observable as to be virtually nothing.I'm not sure how you can make the 2 strong claims that (paraphrasing) "They're definitely out there" and "They're definitely too far away."
The trajectory of human civilization (the only civilization we know of) has been of exponential growth for the better part of a millennium. Projecting exponential growth out just a few centuries in the future, a large portion of the galaxy could potentially be colonized by our descendants, even without FTL travel.
When you consider that, if there are other civs out there, some likely had millions of years' head start on us, it is downright odd that not one civilization has managed to establish a detectable (by us) presence in the visible universe. It suggests that there may be some insurmountable or virtually insurmountable barrier between lifeless matter and galactic colonization. Hopefully whatever this is, it's a stage that we've already passed.
The universe is far too vast. Any two random occurrences have such a small chance of occurring close enough to one another to be observable as to be virtually nothing.
No, that the conditions to support life are so unique and could only have ever occurred on this mud ball and none of the other trillions of trillions of mud balls. It's not peculiar, if you apply actual critical thinking. Out there, where trillions of trillions of planets exist the odds that not one can support life is a ridiculous claim. Call it ego, or arrogance or whatever to believe that we, on this planet are so special and unique that the conditions to create life would never be replicated or even exceeded. We are not special. We are meat bags on a mud ball hurtling through space around a ball of burning gas. If you can look at that and honestly say there's no way it could ever happen anywhere else or even in ways you couldn't begin to fathom, I'd call you unimaginative. Granted, I can't fathom those details either; our brains are not meant to comprehend such magnitude. But the general idea, I can start to grasp that.
You know, I was hoping this wasn't where you were going. For the sake of the forum, I'm going to abstain from further discussion on this subject. I have delved into politics. I will not discuss religion on here too.Understood that is your perspective, and I feel sorry for anyone that holds fast to such a purposeless existence.
My faith lies in the creation account documented in the book of Genesis. In that account, men and women are created in God's image. That makes us both special and unique. Sin entered the world through the actions of Adam and Eve...but Jesus took the form of a man, and paid the price for our sins. That's evidence of God's love for us...and not something that he would logically do for a mere bunch of meat bags on a mud ball.
The creation account is fairly detailed, and does not mention human life being created elsewhere. Couple that with a lack of any hard evidence that martians, ETs, UFOs exist, and you have recipe to believe that the life that exists on the earth is not duplicated elsewhere.
A difference in belief systems doesn't make you humble and me egotistical, or in some way unimaginative. I don't see how you can make that conclusion.
I didn't say you were arrogant for believing that.. I'm not going to pretend to have the answer. Anything is possible.I guess that's the case if you believe that the occurrence of life is a random event.
I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. So, that makes me arrogant? Wow.
I just re-read the arrogant post that I responded to and in no way was I insinuating that you were arrogant for believing what you do. I see why you would think that though from my response. Apologys to you sir.I guess that's the case if you believe that the occurrence of life is a random event.
I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. So, that makes me arrogant? Wow.
That is not true at all actually. People of all walks of life from the “Bubbas” you describe above to famous authors, people in the military, politicians, and even former presidents of the USA and other countries have reported everything from UFO sightings to alien abductions. A former Canadian defense minister is one of the main people asserting that governments are in league with aliens who visit the Earth and share technology with us... Go look up Nick Pope- worked for the British Government... Has come out and said for YEARS the sane claims about UFOS/aliens and Government coordination... Bob Lazar May have been the most famous scientist to come forward and say they had worked on UFOs for our government but there are plenty of other independent people who do research at MIT and other top level universities and think tanks who claim to have been given unexplained super advanced tech from the US Government with unidentified markings on it that they were asked to reverse engineer... The list of reputable people claiming personal experiences with or direct abduction by UFOs is long... It just does not get publicized because it makes people uncomfortable. Much easier to dismiss ole drunk Jim Bob and Bubba than it is to dismiss claims by a sitting US President for instance..What has always intrigued me is the selective process that aliens use in choosing their experimental victims. I mean choosing drunks fishing in the middle of BFE is their normal 'prey', or plucking grounds.
"Well, me, Bubba, and Billy Bob was asitting thar afushin, and suddenly this bright, shiny space mushine acome downed on usin, and swooped me plum up". "They done some thangs to me, and dropped me over thar by Tupelo"
Have you been through Seneca ? How else could that be explained
That is not true at all actually. People of all walks of life from the “Bubbas” you describe above to famous authors, people in the military, politicians, and even former presidents of the USA and other countries have reported everything from UFO sightings to alien abductions. A former Canadian defense minister is one of the main people asserting that governments are in league with aliens who visit the Earth and share technology with us... Go look up Nick Pope- worked for the British Government... Has come out and said for YEARS the sane claims about UFOS/aliens and Government coordination... Bob Lazar May have been the most famous scientist to come forward and say they had worked on UFOs for our government but there are plenty of other independent people who do research at MIT and other top level universities and think tanks who claim to have been given unexplained super advanced tech from the US Government with unidentified markings on it that they were asked to reverse engineer... The list of reputable people claiming personal experiences with or direct abduction by UFOs is long... It just does not get publicized because it makes people uncomfortable. Much easier to dismiss ole drunk Jim Bob and Bubba than it is to dismiss claims by a sitting US President for instance..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_UFO_incident#:~:text=Jimmy Carter ( US President 1977–1981) reported seeing,City, Oklahoma, which he did in September 1973.
http://nickpope.net/wpte19/ufos/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535698/Aliens-walk-theyre-refusing-share-technology-change-warring-polluting-ways-claims-former-Canadian-defense-minister.html#:~:text=Former Canadian defense minister Paul Hellyer, 90, declared,'been visiting our planet for thousands of
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-election-alien-idUSTRE5812DV20090902
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-election-alien-idUSTRE5812DV20090902
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weir...r-defence-minister-US-storing-ALIEN-UFO-parts
I am not diving in to question anyone’s faith (you say you have faith, good for you!) or call someone arrogant for believing that we are the only world to ever have life develop on it, but let’s take a look at Ancient Alien theory vs Christianity. This should be fun! *if you keep an open mind and actually think it through...Understood that is your perspective, and I feel sorry for anyone that holds fast to such a purposeless existence.
My faith lies in the creation account documented in the book of Genesis. In that account, men and women are created in God's image. That makes us both special and unique. Sin entered the world through the actions of Adam and Eve...but Jesus took the form of a man, and paid the price for our sins. That's evidence of God's love for us...and not something that he would logically do for a mere bunch of meat bags on a mud ball.
The creation account is fairly detailed, and does not mention human life being created elsewhere. Couple that with a lack of any hard evidence that martians, ETs, UFOs exist, and you have recipe to believe that the life that exists on the earth is not duplicated elsewhere.
A difference in belief systems doesn't make you humble and me egotistical, or in some way unimaginative. I don't see how you can make that conclusion.
That is fair- irrefutable evidence? I do not have it... circumstantial evidence? I posted quite a few links to it! LOLIt's fine, I'm a show me type. You can tell me you can fly, but until I SEE you fly, I don't believe that in fact you can. Doesn't mean I'm right of course. I'd like to believe there is other life out there, and highly possible, I've just never seen irrefutable evidence to support that train of thought.
I just re-read the arrogant post that I responded to and in no way was I insinuating that you were arrogant for believing what you do. I see why you would think that though from my response. Apologys to you sir.
You know, I was hoping this wasn't where you were going. For the sake of the forum, I'm going to abstain from further discussion on this subject. I have delved into politics. I will not discuss religion on here too.
Without addressing the merits of either assumption (theistic versus non theistic), it seems worth saying that if one believes in a creator, then it’s quite reasonable to believe the creator made humanity special (although one could also believe the opposite) and if one believes that there was no creator, then it’s quite reasonable to believe we are not “alone” (although one could also believe the opposite until proven differently). In the end, none of us knows for sure.You know, I was hoping this wasn't where you were going. For the sake of the forum, I'm going to abstain from further discussion on this subject. I have delved into politics. I will not discuss religion on here too.
You are free to believe whatever ridiculous notion you choose to believe, as am I. I dont believe it takes any more faith that an all powerful, all knowing creator could have snapped his fingers and created everything in this world in 7 days than it does to believe we started out as an amoeba and then crawled out of the sludge 2 trillion years ago as a toad frog and walla. 2 trillion years of chance and accident and here we are. The simple intricacies of the human eye or of one single cell tell me that is absolutely ridiculous to believe that occurred through time and chance. NO WAY. NO HOW. Simple logic tells you that everything cannot possibly come from nothing. It defies the laws of the universe. Its the most ridiculous argument ever thrown upon the brain of man.I am not diving in to question anyone’s faith (you say you have faith, good for you!) or call someone arrogant for believing that we are the only world to ever have life develop on it, but let’s take a look at Ancient Alien theory vs Christianity. This should be fun! *if you keep an open mind and actually think it through...
Ancient Alien theory was really Started when Eric Vondaniken wrote “The Chariots of the Gods”... Kind of the “Bible” for this theory in a way. I recommend it if you haven’t read it- asks a lot of good questions, but mostly it just touches on so many interesting unsolved “mysteries” of the world you probably never thought much about before.
Christianity says an all powerful, all knowing deity snapped his fingers one day and magically created the entire world (there is no other planet I guess in this theory? i guess right? It also asserts that yhis all happened just a few thousand years ago, so while religious people won’t believe in aliens-ok, what about Dinosaurs?? I digress..) he made light, people and all plants and animals eventually right?(again- dinosaurs? 2,000 years ago?) So to believe in this firmly is to say you believe MAGIC IS REAL. That is what you think you have seen evidence of and believe but you not believe in UFOs because you have not seen proof of them yourself?
Ancient alien theories suggest that over thousands and thousands of years Aliens helped support the development of complex life (some suggest they started the life by seeding worlds using their own DNA/ building blocks of life) and revisited us periodically to help it advance through DNA manipulation and giving us technology advancements... and that all religions when they mention deities coming down from the sky in “flying chariots”/ Archamedes’ wheel/ DRAGONS in the far East... It was misinterpreted technology/ flying craft being described in the parlance of their time. It can be picked apart much further and more detailed, but in the end- I HAVE SEEN the dramatic advancements of human technological achievements in my lifetime with my own eyes. It is plausible/ reasonable? to think that of the TRILLIONS OF STARS- many of which have planets orbiting them within habitable zones over BIIILLLIOONNNNSSS of years...- that perhaps there are civilizations that exist that are thousands (MILLIONS?) of years ahead of us in technological advancement and could actually travel between worlds many light years apart using their advanced tech.... Perhaps they do not give a rip about us but They likely WOULD give a rip about our RESOURCES (anyone ever wonder why Gold- one of the best conductors known to exist, used in the most advanced tech today... Has been so coveted by man since the dawn of time? Almost like someone told us it had value, perhaps even CREATED US to mine it for them?)... That seems possible at least when we have all seen in our lifetimes alone how far tech can advance right? In 40 years we went from not even having remote controls for our TVs, or personal computers to having a computer capable of most anything IN OUR POCKETS!
So- is it more reasonable to believe in the possibility of technological advancement or more plausible to believe creation myths of a magical God who sits in the clouds watching our every move and judging our actions based off how well we stayed within the rules he gave us to live bye?
Seriously- you guys tell me. Do you believe in magic? I have never seen any proof that real magic exists or is possible by human hands, or by God’s hands and I have never seen a God or an Angel either... I OWN advanced technology that we could not have made on this Earth even 10 years ago... I am typing this message on an iphone that, if I took a working version of it back to Jesus’ time, would likely be viewed as “magic”, right? A device that can allow me to communicate with people all over the world, or give me the answer to virtually any question immediately!?! How would that have been described in scripture?
I guess there is some value in religion, I have just never bought in. It is a money grab like every human creation- “how can I exert power over and solicit money from people”- the driving force behind all things that motivate us. Religion is a fairy take that has been told a thousand different ways through time. How can Christianity say they have it right over Muslims? Or over Buddhists? How can one version of Christianity feel they are “more right” than another? Like Baptists vs,.. Catholics? Vs... MORMONS!?! (Anyone want to tell me what Mormons or scientologists believe is any more crazy than Ancient Alien theory?) They all really believe They have it dead on perfect and everyone else if going to Hell? Give me a break.
I know this post will really light some fires as this is the South and people grew up going to church and me saying I think that was all a lie and ultimately a rip off, is going to absolutely make people hate me. That’s fine. If you are that obtuse to not even take an objective look at your own beliefs in light of a challenge to them, I have no use for talking to you in the first place. People like that are going to spend your whole life regurgitating whatever nonsense you were fed as a child, without even taking the time to think about it. I challenge any supporter of any religion to present me with a more Rational argument for why magic is more plausible than tech that trumps my example of how this iphone in my hand right now is plausible proof of what technology can achieve and how reasonable it is to think that more advanced beings than we are today could have come to Earth at some point over the past couple million years or so... It is rehtorical obviously, as that is why “faith” was made the central tenant of religion. There IS NO PROOF... There is only old fables written in a book that is transcribed from oral histories compiled from dozens/hundreds?/thousands? of story tellers over generations. So, have your faith, enjoy that- I am sticking with my iPhone. I do not pretend to know what did or did not happen a million years ago but when I an presented with all the theories... RELIGIOUS creation stories are at the bottom of the list of what I believe may have actually happened.
Sure. I'll concede that. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but I won't discuss it further, thanks.Fair enough. Hope you can at least leave room for anyone that doesn't share your view of the earth's origins or our purpose here. Calling said folks arrogant, egotistical or unimaginative is unnecessary.
Not my intent to mock your beliefs if that is how you took it I apologize. However, the idea that the Bible does not discredit dinosaurs but implies humans walked the earth with them is a bit... Well unlikely given Dinos were here 70+ million years ago and modern man has only been around a few tens (hundreds?) of thousands of years depending on your definition of “modern” and how complete we believe the fossil record is today..I personally believe in the biblical account of creation as told in Genesis as well. Go on - mock me all you want - but that is what I believe. Now whether or not it was over millions of years or in 7 days, I cannot say for sure. However, I tend to lean towards the idea that it was created in a literal 7 day period. If you believe in the rest of the Bible, which teaches that sin is the reason for all the chaos and death on the earth, it does not make sense to believe that the 7 day period was actually millions of years because you would have to accept that fact that a loving God allowed all that death to occur in the animal kingdom for millions of years before sin ever entered the picture. Could there be aliens? I guess there could be because there are many answers that we are not given through Biblical teaching, so ok. Maybe. However, I find it highly unlikely but who knows? Oh, for Gamecock Lifer - Genesis believing Christians have no issue with dinosaurs. There is no question that they walked the earth and there are several Biblical verses to suggest they were on earth at the same time as was man. Most Genesis believers think that they were destroyed during the flood.
Sure. I'll concede that. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but I won't discuss it further, thanks.
Not my intent to mock your beliefs if that is how you took it I apologize. However, the idea that the Bible does not discredit dinosaurs but implies humans walked the earth with then is a bit... Well unlikely given Dinos were here 70+ million years ago and modern man has only been around a few tens (hundreds?) of thousands of years depending on your definition of “modern” and how complete we believe the fossil record is today..
My point in posting that lengthy conspiracy theory post was simply to say that one person’s beliefs are no kore reasonable than another’s. There are s thousand different ideas out there of how, what and who created us and the Earth, but they all seem to point to some omnipotent all power Whether called God and Angels or whether called “Zeus”, or the Anunaki, it is all the same story passed down from the dawn of man and retold/repackaged under the guise of a “new religion”. My question to all who believe it was some deity who created it all using magic is- why? Why does that make sense? “Because I was raisdd to believe it” is a belief system I have challenged within myself for years. Be it our engrained beliefs about Religion or about race relations or politics... I think it is a good time for everyone to exam the WHY behind what we believe and start deciding if it still makes sense today. That was my goal, not to belittle you or anyone else for your beliefs.
Me as well...I considered starting a new thread for paranormal. I personally have experience there but not aliens.