Except when Baylor WBB won the championship, they received an invitation within a few days.
Dawn speaks out at the protest
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Except when Baylor WBB won the championship, they received an invitation within a few days.
We can agree to disagree on that. Coach Staley points out what she believes in the president's behavior is divisive and implores folks to make a change IF they agree that his behavior is divisive and IF he continues to engage in divisive rhetoric. She makes no statement that she believes the president or his actions are irredeemable, whether she feels that way or not.
And I sincerely don't think that whether this statement was in the "best interest of our coaches" was anywhere close to a consideration for her. If you don't believe that such statements are in the best interest of the university, that is a different concern entirely; obviously, since the university is promoting the essay on its official social media, the administration apparently disagrees with you. If you have a problem with that, you should voice those concerns to Tanner and Caslen.
As I've said numerous times... I don't have a problem with what she said, I do have a problem with the university athletics accounts tweeting it out because it insinuates they endorse the opinions in the piece. That's all. The stupidity on this board never ceases to amaze.
How many times has Coach Martin done the same thing without complaint (and he is a minority too). The issue is the same as it always is in my experience. Anytime a Black person gets a position of influence, some people are immature and expect that person to not be Black anymore or care about issues that affect their families. How hard is it to just disagree and move on if that is what you believe.
Please understand that I wasn't disagreeing with what you posted or denying the importance of your statistics. I was being very sincere when I thanked you for posting it because it was an earnest attempt to provide factual context to what is often a very emotional issue. I was merely pointing out that the issues over which these protests are occurring are far larger than law enforcement killing black suspects at a higher rate than whites are killed. And indeed, the issues transcend law enforcement.
1 - My reply was intended to refute the claim by a previous poster that Staley was not imploring people to vote out Trump. She most definitely was.
2 - Tim Scott is a politician and not a USC head coach. I agree with some others that our coaches at USC should steer clear of making political commentaries. It has nothing to do with rights. We all know people have the right to speak. That doesn't mean it's wise to wade into political discussions as a coach.
And Frank Martin indeed posted a similar, although arguably less partisan, message:
We all have different life experiences regardless what color or gender we all are..
Some have over come life problems like having cancer, getting shot at, being kidnapped, sexually assaulted, or etc... It's called life...
Life is tough and we all go through adversity...
It's not a black thing, and it's not a white thing... It's called life and if go around and act like a victim, then you're not going to solve a damn thing...
I had horrible things happened to me and I don't go around and act like a victim... God gave me a bonus of life I'm living it and not dwell on the past...
Now, do I wish I bought 1,000 shares of Amazon when it was $5.00 back in 2001??? You're damn right and have learned from my mistake....
Because it's a chat forum. That's what people do here. We discuss things. I don't care if I disagree with a coaches view. I do care when I see political opinions endorsed by a university. That's not right IMO.
I don't have a problem with her speaking out about an important issue at all, and I'm entitled to my opinion as well. I do have a problem with riots and lawlessness, but that's a separate issue for another thread.
On the Finebaum interview, she basically said the people needed a way to vent and that was the reason for the looting and destruction. That is unbelievable.
So, will you have a problem when Coach Martin wades into the waters of the failures of parents for the 1,000,000th time if the Coronavirus allows for him to go into his usual February losing streak. Will you tell him to stick to sports and the job of getting his team on track? If you won't, then you are being disingenuous.
My guess was it had to do with the request from the Congressional delegation from Texas making the request.
I disagree, the protests are for and the narrative is that black suspects are killed at higher rates than black suspects. It is what people are constantly told. I do agree that it is more complicated than that, My main frustration, personally, is that we can't have a serious conversation in this country about our over-taxed criminal justice system and larger cultural issues because there is too much political power to be gained in framing a very limited, simplistic, and at most times dishonest, discussions on these issues. The result is the violence we've been seeing for the last week, almost.
I think that this discussion thread is actually a pretty good display of the problems we have with just having these discussions.
You have to actually go into the reports and into the data to see it. There are tables.
It actually used to be easier to get to. They used to have a publicly accessible data base that you could search and sort. Since they are transitioning to the new system, they took the old one down.
You know, I am frustrated and angry at yet ANOTHER demonstration by a certain demographic that can’t deal with events and feelings without erupting in violence and destruction. I need to vent. Let’s see....
Yes, on his personal page. Staley published an essay in the Players' Tribune. She doesn't control social media for USC, its athletic department or even the women's basketball program. Those who have an issue with this should express it to the university. I think adcoop's point was that there has been no great discussion about CFM's communication even though it too was retweeted by the university.
BTW, for those who are interested, there are a pair of cases that have primarily set the modern legal framework for free speech rights of employees of public institutions (Connick v. Myers and Pickering v. Bd. of Education). Even though Connick leaned the test far more in the favor of a public body seeking to censor or take adverse employment action against an employee for the act of speaking on a matter of public importance, there's nothing in what Staley said that would come close to allowing the university to censor her even if it had had the inclination to. But more practically, when you're probably the best known ambassador and athletic coach the university has, you're going to get the benefit of the doubt far more often than not, even if the university disagrees with you.
The GOP snowflakes are hilarious. I can’t imagine being so mentally and emotionally soft
Instead of complaining...contact the Board, Ray Tanner, Caslen...let them know your unhappiness. Maybe someone needs to be reprimanded...perhaps even fired. Women Gamecocks vs EVERYBODY...even our own fans! (I love Dawn Staley. She makes me proud on and off the court.)
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I have voiced my concerns about the two items stated in my first post on this topic directly to the athletic department at USC today.
Who is this Dawn Stanley you speak of.. Paul's wife? Why would she be making political statements?
I am not aware of every comment made by every head coach at USC. I will reiterate the two items in Staley's article that I took exception with:
1 - Getting political. And by this I mean promoting one political party or candidate over another. It is something that in my opinion our coaches and the athletics dept would be best served staying out of. The main reason being that the fan base is split, and these types of comments are going to alienate one side or the other. Staley's article could have been written and gotten across the same message without the comments concerning her presidential political views.
2 - The statement she made that "I'm a black woman first." Really there shouldn't be any need to explain this one. It tells you a lot on the face of it. What if Will Muschamp stated in an article "I'm a white man first" over and above anything else. How do you think this would be received? He likely would be fired by the end of the day. It was a totally unnecessary and divisive comment to make. I don't consider myself first and foremost based on my race or gender. Apparently Staley does.
I have expressed my concerns about these two comments directly to the athletics department at USC.
there was way more police killings in obama years so yes, lets vote to make sure it doesnt go back to that
As long as Coach Staley keeps doing the exemplary job she has with our Women's program, she can take any political position that she likes. I might not like it, but I will get over it. I am on the opposite side of the spectrum than many of you. There have been times that I felt she should have been stronger in her verbal opposition to Trump. Guess what, I got over it and some of you need to do the same. The University of South Carolina is blessed to have Coach Staley. Many believe we don't deserve her. That's why ESPN does fake matchups to put our program down in comparison to the Tennessee's and the UConn's. We have a Coach at the top of her profession and this ride will only get better. Coach Staley is the only thing that our Athletic Department has gotten right in the last decade or so.
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Well they haven't gotten better... If that is your argument.
If DS is clearly stating like/dislike for specific politicians and naming their names, we should all be upset.
I'm certain that liberals aren't the only ones good at rewriting history.....
Somehow, I think she likely consulted with RT before posting.
And note that it states not what she feels, but what "you" feel.
I think yo just made it pretty clear that what your problem is who you think she wanted voted out of office. If she had a picture of a MAGA hat is would be a different tune.
True on both accounts. I do wonder though whether it would have made a difference if RT had said he thought the essay was ill advised or had “forbidden” her from publishing it. I get the sense that Coach Staley would be welcome most anywhere she wanted to go if she defied the university by publishing against admin’s wishes unless the statement had been completely radical and universally inexcusable.
