Looming Crisis At Clemson

[SportsSuites1]

Last week there were threads comparing the differences between Clemson and 'Carolina facilities, with many fans on both sides seeming to want to end the dispute by saying 'both have nice facilities'.

Describing facilities as 'assets' could the 'equality' argument be made again? Not honestly it couldn't be.

We may be neighbors with similar houses and otherwise visible trappings of a certain status (our campuses and athletic facilities), some of the same friends (mutual opponents), we frequent many of the same clubs (bowl games), shop in the same stores (recruiting) and are both members of the community's most 'prestigious' social club (Top 25 - although USC is 'temporarily suspended' for not paying its dues).

So, what's the 'difference', if anything? Actually, it's two things ... "liquidity and reserves". Numerically the fan-bases are approximately equal. What's unequal is the proportional value of an individual 'fan' ... basically, the law of 'averages'. Clemson has some enormously successful alumni and a 'few' extremely loyal AND generous alumni - but Clemson also suffers from an inordinately LARGE block of dumb as a brick pay their bills with sticks (firewood sellers) drink Schlitz Malt Liquor for kicks "fans" who if charged with DUI would have to do the 10-days unable to post a $500 bail. Not just tens, scores of thousands of 'em.

Both schools (wisely) borrowed and spent a few hundred million upgrading facilities while rates were so low had they been any lower the bond-issurer's would have been paying them to take the money ... THAT was smart.

What was NOT 'smart' (for Clemson) is their 'balance sheet' is pushing the envelope and all they seem to be attracting with the most successful run in that schools history are uneducated, dis-functional illiterates ... and that won't feed the monkey!!!

The DIFFERENCE in annual 'cash-flow' between the Clemson athletic programs and South Carolina's athletic programs is approximately TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($25,000,000.00) ... $74 million vs. $98 million and change EVERY YEAR ... and THAT is 'prelude' to CRISIS.

IT WILL GET WORSE!!! The contributions of USC's 'Gamecock Club' already dwarf IPTAY contributions and 'reserves' continue to widen, not just from items as diverse as ticket sales and merchandise royalties but money from conference affiliations (this is a HUGE gap that will only get wider).

I realize a large number of the Clemson trolls on this board still have pimples, thus may not know the name but Clemson is VERY MUCH like Ericsson Electronics in the mid-90's. Betting on the come Ericsson threw money around ($125 million as the 'initial' named-sponsor for Panther stadium) that later evaporated, they over-hired (and over-paid) administrators (Clemson coaching salaries) ... fact is, in 1996 owning an 'Ericsson' phone was possessing the 'Cadillac' of phones ... Motorola and Nokia were WAY back in the pack, while iphones and Android's didn't even exist.

As 'Carolina's financial fortunes improve Clemson's are getting weaker, and while their influx of 'new' rooters may be good for a 'Way ta' GO!' (directed towards a TV screen) the weight of those uneducated, underemployed 'fans' will for a while be just a sea-anchor, but eventually bust loose into dropped chain and fixed-hold ... and when it does it ain't gonna be pretty.

Clemson NEEDS a 'National Championship' - that alone would help 'cure' the recurring cash-flow spread differential for at least ONE year ... but what about 'next year' ... and the year after that?

Nope - it ain't 'even'. It's not even CLOSE. We may be 'neighbors' ... with many of the same interests and friends TODAY ... but 'Carolina's children are all in school and working towards their future rewards, 'Carolina has money saved and a plan for tomorrow. Clemson?

They have a yard-full of cousins that Chevy Chase might call "Eddie" ... good people, YES!!! - but good people who dump their sewers into street-drains nonetheless.

THIS is a GREAT TIME to be a GAMECOCK!!!

 

[MANAFOLD]

SS, well said but run to the bomb shelter 'cause those pimpled faced Tater trolls will be after you with a vengeance.

 

[cockhornleghorn]

The only thing I disagree with is the size of the fan bases. Ours is bigger; especially in sports besides football.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html?_r=1

 

[amynhop]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

 

[Gamecock Lifer]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

so.... Why do you come here then? Just go away! That would solve every everyone's problems- you wouldn't have to deal with the pain of reading the hate for your school and we wouldn't have to deal with all the crybaby histrionics.

 

[usaguy40]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

You certainly didn't refute anything, but it sounds like it's time for a diaper change, a bottle and a nap!

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

I refute that.

 

[Bigger_Stronger_Faster]

I refute that.

print that...tweet that...but you can't refute that!

 

[Toneski M]

Last week there were threads comparing the differences between Clemson and 'Carolina facilities, with many fans on both sides seeming to want to end the dispute by saying 'both have nice facilities'.

Describing facilities as 'assets' could the 'equality' argument be made again? Not honestly it couldn't be.

We may be neighbors with similar houses and otherwise visible trappings of a certain status (our campuses and athletic facilities), some of the same friends (mutual opponents), we frequent many of the same clubs (bowl games), shop in the same stores (recruiting) and are both members of the community's most 'prestigious' social club (Top 25 - although USC is 'temporarily suspended' for not paying its dues).

So, what's the 'difference', if anything? Actually, it's two things ... "liquidity and reserves". Numerically the fan-bases are approximately equal. What's unequal is the proportional value of an individual 'fan' ... basically, the law of 'averages'. Clemson has some enormously successful alumni and a 'few' extremely loyal AND generous alumni - but Clemson also suffers from an inordinately LARGE block of dumb as a brick pay their bills with sticks (firewood sellers) drink Schlitz Malt Liquor for kicks "fans" who if charged with DUI would have to do the 10-days unable to post a $500 bail. Not just tens, scores of thousands of 'em.

Both schools (wisely) borrowed and spent a few hundred million upgrading facilities while rates were so low had they been any lower the bond-issurer's would have been paying them to take the money ... THAT was smart.

What was NOT 'smart' (for Clemson) is their 'balance sheet' is pushing the envelope and all they seem to be attracting with the most successful run in that schools history are uneducated, dis-functional illiterates ... and that won't feed the monkey!!!

The DIFFERENCE in annual 'cash-flow' between the Clemson athletic programs and South Carolina's athletic programs is approximately TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($25,000,000.00) ... $74 million vs. $98 million and change EVERY YEAR ... and THAT is 'prelude' to CRISIS.

IT WILL GET WORSE!!! The contributions of USC's 'Gamecock Club' already dwarf IPTAY contributions and 'reserves' continue to widen, not just from items as diverse as ticket sales and merchandise royalties but money from conference affiliations (this is a HUGE gap that will only get wider).

I realize a large number of the Clemson trolls on this board still have pimples, thus may not know the name but Clemson is VERY MUCH like Ericsson Electronics in the mid-90's. Betting on the come Ericsson threw money around ($125 million as the 'initial' named-sponsor for Panther stadium) that later evaporated, they over-hired (and over-paid) administrators (Clemson coaching salaries) ... fact is, in 1996 owning an 'Ericsson' phone was possessing the 'Cadillac' of phones ... Motorola and Nokia were WAY back in the pack, while iphones and Android's didn't even exist.

As 'Carolina's financial fortunes improve Clemson's are getting weaker, and while their influx of 'new' rooters may be good for a 'Way ta' GO!' (directed towards a TV screen) the weight of those uneducated, underemployed 'fans' will for a while be just a sea-anchor, but eventually bust loose into dropped chain and fixed-hold ... and when it does it ain't gonna be pretty.

Clemson NEEDS a 'National Championship' - that alone would help 'cure' the recurring cash-flow spread differential for at least ONE year ... but what about 'next year' ... and the year after that?

Nope - it ain't 'even'. It's not even CLOSE. We may be 'neighbors' ... with many of the same interests and friends TODAY ... but 'Carolina's children are all in school and working towards their future rewards, 'Carolina has money saved and a plan for tomorrow. Clemson?

They have a yard-full of cousins that Chevy Chase might call "Eddie" ... good people, YES!!! - but good people who dump their sewers into street-drains nonetheless.

THIS is a GREAT TIME to be a GAMECOCK!!!

Sportsuites - I always enjoy your posts, I really do, but sometimes I wonder where you get your info. I mean, I hope Clem has spent too much and we've caused them to go broke trying to keep up with us like Reagan's Star Wars Program did to the USSR. But since your post is the first I've heard or read Clem's Athletic Department may be headed for financial trouble, I'm curious as to how factual it may be.

Like I said, I enjoy the posts but I often find myself wishing you would include some links as to where you got your facts or at least tell you've "heard from a reliable source" if a link isn't available. Do you have any links to show the Gamecock Club has more giving than IPTAY?

On a side note, I think we may see the revenue gap widen in the years to come. A significant portion of that revenue comes from ESPN and its contracts with the SEC. As the TV model changes and more and more people cut the cable cord, ESPN's revenue will continue to shrink. Disney's CEO commented in last earnings report they saw more decrease in ESPN revenue as people ditched cable and Disney's stock price is down 20% since. ESPN is laying off and reshuffling personnel. At some point, ESPN may have to renegotiate contracts and when they do it will be the most watched leagues and conferences that get cut the least. The ACC may see a significant cut in ESPN revenue in the future. The SEC on the other hand is likely to see a much smaller reduction in ESPN revenue and should the cut be too significant the SEC has the option of just doing the SEC Network on its own.

College football revenue may look a lot different in 5 years. The party may be over. Athletic departments sitting on a ton of debt financed by revenue they think will continue to increase, may really be in trouble.

 

[Raconteur]

Last week there were threads comparing the differences between Clemson and 'Carolina facilities, with many fans on both sides seeming to want to end the dispute by saying 'both have nice facilities'.

Describing facilities as 'assets' could the 'equality' argument be made again? Not honestly it couldn't be.

We may be neighbors with similar houses and otherwise visible trappings of a certain status (our campuses and athletic facilities), some of the same friends (mutual opponents), we frequent many of the same clubs (bowl games), shop in the same stores (recruiting) and are both members of the community's most 'prestigious' social club (Top 25 - although USC is 'temporarily suspended' for not paying its dues).

So, what's the 'difference', if anything? Actually, it's two things ... "liquidity and reserves". Numerically the fan-bases are approximately equal. What's unequal is the proportional value of an individual 'fan' ... basically, the law of 'averages'. Clemson has some enormously successful alumni and a 'few' extremely loyal AND generous alumni - but Clemson also suffers from an inordinately LARGE block of dumb as a brick pay their bills with sticks (firewood sellers) drink Schlitz Malt Liquor for kicks "fans" who if charged with DUI would have to do the 10-days unable to post a $500 bail. Not just tens, scores of thousands of 'em.

Both schools (wisely) borrowed and spent a few hundred million upgrading facilities while rates were so low had they been any lower the bond-issurer's would have been paying them to take the money ... THAT was smart.

What was NOT 'smart' (for Clemson) is their 'balance sheet' is pushing the envelope and all they seem to be attracting with the most successful run in that schools history are uneducated, dis-functional illiterates ... and that won't feed the monkey!!!

The DIFFERENCE in annual 'cash-flow' between the Clemson athletic programs and South Carolina's athletic programs is approximately TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($25,000,000.00) ... $74 million vs. $98 million and change EVERY YEAR ... and THAT is 'prelude' to CRISIS.

IT WILL GET WORSE!!! The contributions of USC's 'Gamecock Club' already dwarf IPTAY contributions and 'reserves' continue to widen, not just from items as diverse as ticket sales and merchandise royalties but money from conference affiliations (this is a HUGE gap that will only get wider).

I realize a large number of the Clemson trolls on this board still have pimples, thus may not know the name but Clemson is VERY MUCH like Ericsson Electronics in the mid-90's. Betting on the come Ericsson threw money around ($125 million as the 'initial' named-sponsor for Panther stadium) that later evaporated, they over-hired (and over-paid) administrators (Clemson coaching salaries) ... fact is, in 1996 owning an 'Ericsson' phone was possessing the 'Cadillac' of phones ... Motorola and Nokia were WAY back in the pack, while iphones and Android's didn't even exist.

As 'Carolina's financial fortunes improve Clemson's are getting weaker, and while their influx of 'new' rooters may be good for a 'Way ta' GO!' (directed towards a TV screen) the weight of those uneducated, underemployed 'fans' will for a while be just a sea-anchor, but eventually bust loose into dropped chain and fixed-hold ... and when it does it ain't gonna be pretty.

Clemson NEEDS a 'National Championship' - that alone would help 'cure' the recurring cash-flow spread differential for at least ONE year ... but what about 'next year' ... and the year after that?

Nope - it ain't 'even'. It's not even CLOSE. We may be 'neighbors' ... with many of the same interests and friends TODAY ... but 'Carolina's children are all in school and working towards their future rewards, 'Carolina has money saved and a plan for tomorrow. Clemson?

They have a yard-full of cousins that Chevy Chase might call "Eddie" ... good people, YES!!! - but good people who dump their sewers into street-drains nonetheless.

THIS is a GREAT TIME to be a GAMECOCK!!!

Last week there were threads comparing the differences between Clemson and 'Carolina facilities, with many fans on both sides seeming to want to end the dispute by saying 'both have nice facilities'.

Describing facilities as 'assets' could the 'equality' argument be made again? Not honestly it couldn't be.

We may be neighbors with similar houses and otherwise visible trappings of a certain status (our campuses and athletic facilities), some of the same friends (mutual opponents), we frequent many of the same clubs (bowl games), shop in the same stores (recruiting) and are both members of the community's most 'prestigious' social club (Top 25 - although USC is 'temporarily suspended' for not paying its dues).

So, what's the 'difference', if anything? Actually, it's two things ... "liquidity and reserves". Numerically the fan-bases are approximately equal. What's unequal is the proportional value of an individual 'fan' ... basically, the law of 'averages'. Clemson has some enormously successful alumni and a 'few' extremely loyal AND generous alumni - but Clemson also suffers from an inordinately LARGE block of dumb as a brick pay their bills with sticks (firewood sellers) drink Schlitz Malt Liquor for kicks "fans" who if charged with DUI would have to do the 10-days unable to post a $500 bail. Not just tens, scores of thousands of 'em.

Both schools (wisely) borrowed and spent a few hundred million upgrading facilities while rates were so low had they been any lower the bond-issurer's would have been paying them to take the money ... THAT was smart.

What was NOT 'smart' (for Clemson) is their 'balance sheet' is pushing the envelope and all they seem to be attracting with the most successful run in that schools history are uneducated, dis-functional illiterates ... and that won't feed the monkey!!!

The DIFFERENCE in annual 'cash-flow' between the Clemson athletic programs and South Carolina's athletic programs is approximately TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($25,000,000.00) ... $74 million vs. $98 million and change EVERY YEAR ... and THAT is 'prelude' to CRISIS.

IT WILL GET WORSE!!! The contributions of USC's 'Gamecock Club' already dwarf IPTAY contributions and 'reserves' continue to widen, not just from items as diverse as ticket sales and merchandise royalties but money from conference affiliations (this is a HUGE gap that will only get wider).

I realize a large number of the Clemson trolls on this board still have pimples, thus may not know the name but Clemson is VERY MUCH like Ericsson Electronics in the mid-90's. Betting on the come Ericsson threw money around ($125 million as the 'initial' named-sponsor for Panther stadium) that later evaporated, they over-hired (and over-paid) administrators (Clemson coaching salaries) ... fact is, in 1996 owning an 'Ericsson' phone was possessing the 'Cadillac' of phones ... Motorola and Nokia were WAY back in the pack, while iphones and Android's didn't even exist.

As 'Carolina's financial fortunes improve Clemson's are getting weaker, and while their influx of 'new' rooters may be good for a 'Way ta' GO!' (directed towards a TV screen) the weight of those uneducated, underemployed 'fans' will for a while be just a sea-anchor, but eventually bust loose into dropped chain and fixed-hold ... and when it does it ain't gonna be pretty.

Clemson NEEDS a 'National Championship' - that alone would help 'cure' the recurring cash-flow spread differential for at least ONE year ... but what about 'next year' ... and the year after that?

Nope - it ain't 'even'. It's not even CLOSE. We may be 'neighbors' ... with many of the same interests and friends TODAY ... but 'Carolina's children are all in school and working towards their future rewards, 'Carolina has money saved and a plan for tomorrow. Clemson?

They have a yard-full of cousins that Chevy Chase might call "Eddie" ... good people, YES!!! - but good people who dump their sewers into street-drains nonetheless.

THIS is a GREAT TIME to be a GAMECOCK!!!

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

 

[75CarolinaFan]

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

We've won 6 games against Clemson in the last decade. In previous decades Clemson was bringing in a lot more money than we were.

Do you have anything of substance to add or are you just going to call people stupid when they don't agree with your outdated view of the current state of the rivalry? IOW, are you capable of "civil discourse" yourself, counselor?

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

A Hoo? Or a Cav? That is my question.

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

 

[anon_zp1one8polj90]

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

Thank you for such a reasonable reply......something very rare on this forum. SS1 continues just to "make stuff" up and present them as facts. Some of us here are more than just Carolina and Clemson fans and would like to discuss college football in general, but quite frankly it is impossible here. Quite a few members of this free and public forum complain about Clemson fans on the site, but just about every post is about them, so why wouldn't thy be here?

 

[anon_zp1one8polj90]

A Hoo? Or a Cav? That is my question.

You do know that they are the same thing don't you?

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

You do know that they are the same thing don't you?

You already know that I do.
I carry a bit of respect for those from Charlottesville who keep the Wahoo nickname alive.

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

Thank you for such a reasonable reply......something very rare on this forum. SS1 continues just to "make stuff" up and present them as facts. Some of us here are more than just Carolina and Clemson fans and would like to discuss college football in general, but quite frankly it is impossible here. Quite a few members of this free and public forum complain about Clemson fans on the site, but just about every post is about them, so why wouldn't thy be here?

Tell me something links, who else are YOU here to talk about. I'll gladly engage in conversation without comparison. But I have a sneaking suspicion, and that's all it is, a suspicion. That you wanna talk tater tots.

 

[75CarolinaFan]

Thank you for such a reasonable reply......something very rare on this forum. SS1 continues just to "make stuff" up and present them as facts. Some of us here are more than just Carolina and Clemson fans and would like to discuss college football in general, but quite frankly it is impossible here. Quite a few members of this free and public forum complain about Clemson fans on the site, but just about every post is about them, so why wouldn't thy be here?

What would be great is if you could make a counterargument instead of just falling on the ground kicking and screaming when someone makes a point you don't like. Carolina is bringing in a LOT more money than Clemson nowadays and it's starting to make a huge difference in facilities. Everything we've built so far has been bigger and better than Clemson's version of the same thing. Whether's it's the basketball arena, baseball stadium, academic enrichment center, scoreboard, indoor practice facility, etc. And there is much more on the horizon.

I realize that hurts your feelings. At this point you can either accept it or kick and scream like a child. It looks like you've chosen the latter.

 

[Raconteur]

We've won 6 games against Clemson in the last decade. In previous decades Clemson was bringing in a lot more money than we were.

Do you have anything of substance to add or are you just going to call people stupid when they don't agree with your outdated view of the current state of the rivalry? IOW, are you capable of "civil discourse" yourself, counselor?

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

Ok. You quoted it. Now what?

 

[Raconteur]

I rest my case and stand by my post. Sadly, I'm not surprised by the replies to my 'reply'/ post. I'm signing off for now--you're on your own to denigrate this board.

 

[section2cock]

SS1 the one thing missing here is the politics in our state. The power brokers inside and outside the legislature are not going to allow one program to be substantially weaker than the other. They will figure out a way to level the playing field. It's been that way for a hundred years.

 

[Gamecockalypse325]

I rest my case and stand by my post. Sadly, I'm not surprised by the replies to my 'reply'/ post. I'm signing off for now--you're on your own to denigrate this board.

Bye. I'm sure we will be in shambles,what with you signing off.

 

[75CarolinaFan]

You rest your case? I feel for anyone that ever pays you money to represent them.

 

[1spitshine74]

Last week there were threads comparing the differences between Clemson and 'Carolina facilities, with many fans on both sides seeming to want to end the dispute by saying 'both have nice facilities'.

Describing facilities as 'assets' could the 'equality' argument be made again? Not honestly it couldn't be.

We may be neighbors with similar houses and otherwise visible trappings of a certain status (our campuses and athletic facilities), some of the same friends (mutual opponents), we frequent many of the same clubs (bowl games), shop in the same stores (recruiting) and are both members of the community's most 'prestigious' social club (Top 25 - although USC is 'temporarily suspended' for not paying its dues).

So, what's the 'difference', if anything? Actually, it's two things ... "liquidity and reserves". Numerically the fan-bases are approximately equal. What's unequal is the proportional value of an individual 'fan' ... basically, the law of 'averages'. Clemson has some enormously successful alumni and a 'few' extremely loyal AND generous alumni - but Clemson also suffers from an inordinately LARGE block of dumb as a brick pay their bills with sticks (firewood sellers) drink Schlitz Malt Liquor for kicks "fans" who if charged with DUI would have to do the 10-days unable to post a $500 bail. Not just tens, scores of thousands of 'em.

Both schools (wisely) borrowed and spent a few hundred million upgrading facilities while rates were so low had they been any lower the bond-issurer's would have been paying them to take the money ... THAT was smart.

What was NOT 'smart' (for Clemson) is their 'balance sheet' is pushing the envelope and all they seem to be attracting with the most successful run in that schools history are uneducated, dis-functional illiterates ... and that won't feed the monkey!!!

The DIFFERENCE in annual 'cash-flow' between the Clemson athletic programs and South Carolina's athletic programs is approximately TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($25,000,000.00) ... $74 million vs. $98 million and change EVERY YEAR ... and THAT is 'prelude' to CRISIS.

IT WILL GET WORSE!!! The contributions of USC's 'Gamecock Club' already dwarf IPTAY contributions and 'reserves' continue to widen, not just from items as diverse as ticket sales and merchandise royalties but money from conference affiliations (this is a HUGE gap that will only get wider).

I realize a large number of the Clemson trolls on this board still have pimples, thus may not know the name but Clemson is VERY MUCH like Ericsson Electronics in the mid-90's. Betting on the come Ericsson threw money around ($125 million as the 'initial' named-sponsor for Panther stadium) that later evaporated, they over-hired (and over-paid) administrators (Clemson coaching salaries) ... fact is, in 1996 owning an 'Ericsson' phone was possessing the 'Cadillac' of phones ... Motorola and Nokia were WAY back in the pack, while iphones and Android's didn't even exist.

As 'Carolina's financial fortunes improve Clemson's are getting weaker, and while their influx of 'new' rooters may be good for a 'Way ta' GO!' (directed towards a TV screen) the weight of those uneducated, underemployed 'fans' will for a while be just a sea-anchor, but eventually bust loose into dropped chain and fixed-hold ... and when it does it ain't gonna be pretty.

Clemson NEEDS a 'National Championship' - that alone would help 'cure' the recurring cash-flow spread differential for at least ONE year ... but what about 'next year' ... and the year after that?

Nope - it ain't 'even'. It's not even CLOSE. We may be 'neighbors' ... with many of the same interests and friends TODAY ... but 'Carolina's children are all in school and working towards their future rewards, 'Carolina has money saved and a plan for tomorrow. Clemson?

They have a yard-full of cousins that Chevy Chase might call "Eddie" ... good people, YES!!! - but good people who dump their sewers into street-drains nonetheless.

THIS is a GREAT TIME to be a GAMECOCK!!!

Maybe clemson can just go on down to hometown finance and take out a loan.

 

[Athenscock1]

amyanhop we didn't miss you when you were gone and won't miss you if you are banned again.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

I have no idea or care to know the financial condition the Clemson athletic department is in. But less than 3 years ago UT was in bad condition with a much larger fanbase and national following, partly because of having to pay fired coach's salaries, but mostly for overspending on upgrading their facilities. Then their on field performance went down, attendence, donations, and merchandise sales followed. So to think that something like that isn't possible is a little naive. I don't think Dabo can outcoach very many people, but what he did do was hire two very good coordinators and has now lost one of them. With the expectations at Clemson for the year,if a not so great year occurs, say 3-4 losses, then lets see what happens. I am not predicting that type season, only 3-4 teams have any real shot at beating them. But its a what if deal.

 

[Toneski M]

Thank you for such a reasonable reply......something very rare on this forum. SS1 continues just to "make stuff" up and present them as facts. Some of us here are more than just Carolina and Clemson fans and would like to discuss college football in general, but quite frankly it is impossible here. Quite a few members of this free and public forum complain about Clemson fans on the site, but just about every post is about them, so why wouldn't thy be here?

You may want to do a Google search and look for other college football forums if you want general college football discussion Off the top of my head try Reddit's College Football and SEC Rant's general discussion board.

 

[Toneski M]

I'm embarrassed for this poster. It reaks of jealousy. As a recent 'GC' ( law) I am appalled at the lack of civil discourse on this board. Good grief, are you all children? Having watched Clemson maul my UVA and you guys for decades, do you realize the stupidity of this post?

Whats a 'GC (law)' mean?
Does it mean you are qualified to judge a thread on a fan site?

 

[jrjtiger]

South Carolina fans have been predicting the demise of Clemson athletics for years. You guys have had more revenue for a while now. This isn't something new. You have been in the sec for a while now. Nothing new. Ask any recruite, Clemson has great facilities. Clemson will continue to bring in more than enough to keep up with S Carolina.

 

[JT4Clemson]

 

[anon_zp1one8polj90]

What would be great is if you could make a counterargument instead of just falling on the ground kicking and screaming when someone makes a point you don't like. Carolina is bringing in a LOT more money than Clemson nowadays and it's starting to make a huge difference in facilities. Everything we've built so far has been bigger and better than Clemson's version of the same thing. Whether's it's the basketball arena, baseball stadium, academic enrichment center, scoreboard, indoor practice facility, etc. And there is much more on the horizon.

I realize that hurts your feelings. At this point you can either accept it or kick and scream like a child. It looks like you've chosen the latter.

That's silly. I could care less how much more Carolina brings in than Clemson. I am much more pleased that our Will to Lead for Clemson campaign started in 2006 is closing in on a billion dollars than how much our athletic department brings in. I did not know that our athletic revenue or other fund raising campaigns were competitions, particularly since the size of the schools and support bases are so different in terms of numbers. I assume both schools are diligent in how they manage their resources and doubt that SS1 or anyone else not involved know better than they do.

 

[CofCougar08]

South Carolina fans have been predicting the demise of Clemson athletics for years. You guys have had more revenue for a while now. This isn't something new. You have been in the sec for a while now. Nothing new. Ask any recruite, Clemson has great facilities. Clemson will continue to bring in more than enough to keep up with S Carolina.

Clemson is awfully good at recruite-ing its true. You guys get gobs of great recruites every year. I only wish Carolina could recruite half as well as clemson recruites. Dabo is really good at evaluating talent and picking up the best recruites around...

Google or spellcheck might serve you well.

 

[Superior7]

South Carolina fans have been predicting the demise of Clemson athletics for years. You guys have had more revenue for a while now. This isn't something new. You have been in the sec for a while now. Nothing new. Ask any recruite, Clemson has great facilities. Clemson will continue to bring in more than enough to keep up with S Carolina.

You haven't kept up with SC since 2009. The record of 1-6 speaks volumes especially since you over paid Coordinators 3X the amount at any other ACC school. The only brains in Clemson took his Red Bulls and moved to SMU with a losing record to Steve Spurrier.

 

[SportsSuites1]

Nice back and forth!!!

 

[Superior7]

You are a freakin idiot OP! Did you even graduate from highschool? Go ahead and ban me again mods. Been banned for years and it was just lifted. You can't refute anything on this moronic board without being banned. Not a nickels worth of sense among most of the posters and TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH CLEMSON.

Numbers don't lie little Clemson supporter. Dig a few more nickels from everyone's pockets and it still won't be enough. We are leaving the Tillmanites in the dust and everyone knows it.

 

[hplatts]

That's silly. I could care less how much more Carolina brings in than Clemson. I am much more pleased that our Will to Lead for Clemson campaign started in 2006 is closing in on a billion dollars than how much our athletic department brings in. I did not know that our athletic revenue or other fund raising campaigns were competitions, particularly since the size of the schools and support bases are so different in terms of numbers. I assume both schools are diligent in how they manage their resources and doubt that SS1 or anyone else not involved know better than they do.

USC has just finished their Billion Dollar Financial Campaign with over a billion dollars pledged or received (started around 2009) and Clemson is in the same ball park The only problem schools like Auburn, Virginia, Georgia Tech endowments and contributions/grants are so much larger that we suffer from the academic side. USC has only caught up with Clemson on the athletic side in the last few years and passed them. In the 1970's Clemson not only had more athletic booster club members but had a big reserve in the athletic funds. Both have a long way to catch Florida (over 20 $ 100,000/year Bull Gator members) with Alabama in the same athletic income area.

 

[TigerBrown]

In South Carolina's case you don't get what you paid for.

 

[usaguy40]

That's silly. I could care less how much more Carolina brings in than Clemson. I am much more pleased that our Will to Lead for Clemson campaign started in 2006 is closing in on a billion dollars than how much our athletic department brings in. I did not know that our athletic revenue or other fund raising campaigns were competitions, particularly since the size of the schools and support bases are so different in terms of numbers. I assume both schools are diligent in how they manage their resources and doubt that SS1 or anyone else not involved know better than they do.

well than u aint very smart....look what money gets you....plz tell me money doesnt matter....yeah, he just thinks of them as his daughters and he looks like brad pitt too.....if clemson or any other football program wants stay in the race, then ure gonna have to make MONEY!!!!....yeah money dont matter

 

[Superior7]

In South Carolina's case you don't get what you paid for.

Our athletic programs and facilities in every sport are the best in this state.