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Pumper Logic Explained

Who talked about "projections regarding wins"? That wasn't in the discussion at all. The word you used was "expectations" which is much wider than just won-loss records. You clearly stated your expectations that the team was unlikely to spring an upset the rest of this season and the team was lacking something (bereft). Your expectations were clearly stated as such.
When you talk about possible future "upsets", that carries the connotation of wins, doesn't it? And if I don't foresee any "upsets" as of now, that is subject to change next week, as you have already admitted. Hence, you can have no ironclad knowledge of my "expectations", can you, when I don't even know myself? And you never did answer my question about Florida, did you?
 
When you talk about possible future "upsets", that carries the connotation of wins, doesn't it? And if I don't foresee any "upsets" as of now, that is subject to change next week, as you have already admitted. Hence, you can have no ironclad knowledge of my "expectations", can you, when I don't even know myself? And you never did answer my question about Florida, did you?
Expectations are what you have now. Expectations can change. Expectations can be about wins or about anything. You have said you don't expect an upset. That is your current expectation. Have some third string qb come off the bench and suddenly look like a superstar, that expectation could change.

I don't have a specific feeling about Florida. But I do think an upset of one of the last four games is as likely as not. I just don't know which of the four. Even if you think it is a 80% chance of losing each game, that makes the chances of losing all four about 41%. Too many here posting have written off the season too early. Clemson looks as ripe for the taking as they ever have in recent memory. An upset of Florida would be a big deal too.
 
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Expectations are what you have now. Expectations can change. Expectations can be about wins or about anything. You have said you don't expect an upset. That is your current expectation. Have some third string qb come off the bench and suddenly look like a superstar, that expectation could change.

I don't have a specific feeling about Florida. But I do think an upset of one of the last four games is as likely as not. I just don't know which of the four. Even if you think it is a 80% chance of losing each game, that makes the chances of losing all four about 41%. Too many here posting have written off the season too early. Clemson looks as ripe for the taking as they ever have in recent memory. An upset of Florida would be a big deal too.
That's some creative math there. I don't think that's the way it works. If you say you have only a 41% chance of losing all 4, then that means you have a 59% chance of winning one, when you've already said there is an 80% chance of losing each one.
 
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If the aTm game didn’t show exactly what we are, I don’t know what will. Upset? All of our hope is wrapped up in desperate 4th qtr QB heroics against Vandy and garbage time QB roulette in a blow out. I expect us to lose 3 of the 4 badly and lose by 10pts to Mizzou.
 
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Their average recruiting rank is 13.4 the last twenty years. But yes, let’s ignore that.

I'm guessing we're just ignoring the recruiting comparison now?

Year UT SC
2017 15 16
2018 20 18
2019 13 19
2020 8 18
2021 27 79

2021 throws the average off, admittedly, but since that was the true freshman class this year, it should have the least impact.

The four years prior are actually very close. They average about 4 spaces apart. Granted, UT is the one averaging higher, but I don't think that difference is really the reason for the beat down, do you?
 
I'm guessing we're just ignoring the recruiting comparison now?

Year UT SC
2017 15 16
2018 20 18
2019 13 19
2020 8 18
2021 27 79

2021 throws the average off, admittedly, but since that was the true freshman class this year, it should have the least impact.

The four years prior are actually very close. They average about 4 spaces apart. Granted, UT is the one averaging higher, but I don't think that difference is really the reason for the beat down, do you?
Not entirely but we obviously lack depth at virtually every position.
 
I've seen no pumpers. Unless you define pumper as someone that realizes we are exactly where everyone in the world though we would be, which is actually surprising considering we lost our starting QB, our backup grad assistant QB, and we're now on somebody I've never even heard of from a FCS Catholic school.
 
That's some creative math there. I don't think that's the way it works. If you say you have only a 41% chance of losing all 4, then that means you have a 59% chance of winning one, when you've already said there is an 80% chance of losing each one.
That is the way probability math works. It isn't creative. It is easier to see with flipping coins. In a fair coin toss you have a 50% chance of heads and 50% chance of tails.

If tossed twice, you have a 25% chance of both tosses being heads, a 25% chance of both tosses being tails and a 50% chance of a split.

If tossed three times, you have a 1/8th chance of all three tosses being heads, a 1/8th chance of all three tosses being tails, a 3/8ths chance of a 2 heads/1 tail split and a 3/8ths chance of a 2 tails/ 1 head split.

If tossed 4 times, you have a 1/16th chance of all heads, a 1'16th chance of all tails and a 14/16th chance of some kind of 2/2 or 3/1 split. So you get to that 1/16th chance by multiplying 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 = 1/16th.

The football odds work the same way. If all three games are judged an 80% chance of losing that particular game then to find the chances of losing all four (like getting all four heads in a coin flip) is to multiply .8 times .8 times .8 times .8 which equals a .41 chance of losing all 4. So the chance of winning at least one game is the converse, i.e. 59%. Now the chances of SC winning all four if you keep the same 80% odds of losing any particular game, is miniscule, like not even 1%. But winning one is doable if the chances of winning each particular game is 20%.

Now obviously you can quibble with the 80/20 odds. Maybe the odds of SC beating Florida is worse than 20%. If so, give me the odds for each of the four games and I will give you the math for at least one upset.
 
That is the way probability math works. It isn't creative. It is easier to see with flipping coins. In a fair coin toss you have a 50% chance of heads and 50% chance of tails.

If tossed twice, you have a 25% chance of both tosses being heads, a 25% chance of both tosses being tails and a 50% chance of a split.

If tossed three times, you have a 1/8th chance of all three tosses being heads, a 1/8th chance of all three tosses being tails, a 3/8ths chance of a 2 heads/1 tail split and a 3/8ths chance of a 2 tails/ 1 head split.

If tossed 4 times, you have a 1/16th chance of all heads, a 1'16th chance of all tails and a 14/16th chance of some kind of 2/2 or 3/1 split. So you get to that 1/16th chance by multiplying 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 times 1/2 = 1/16th.

The football odds work the same way. If all three games are judged an 80% chance of losing that particular game then to find the chances of losing all four (like getting all four heads in a coin flip) is to multiply .8 times .8 times .8 times .8 which equals a .41 chance of losing all 4. So the chance of winning at least one game is the converse, i.e. 59%. Now the chances of SC winning all four if you keep the same 80% odds of losing any particular game, is miniscule, like not even 1%. But winning one is doable if the chances of winning each particular game is 20%.

Now obviously you can quibble with the 80/20 odds. Maybe the odds of SC beating Florida is worse than 20%. If so, give me the odds for each of the four games and I will give you the math for at least one upset.
No, it doesn't work that way. Flipping a coin is pure chance - a 50/50 deal. When you are 80% chance likely to lose each game you can't somehow just increase you chances to win any of those to 59%. It still will be 80% chance of losing each game.
 
Good thing I looked up those numbers then. Makes me even more confident that you're wrong.
The article I read mentioned Tennessee was the only team in the top twelve recruiting that didn’t make the playoffs. So while they have a much more talented roster they haven’t taken advantage of it until Heupel.
 
The article I read mentioned Tennessee was the only team in the top twelve recruiting that didn’t make the playoffs. So while they have a much more talented roster they haven’t taken advantage of it until Heupel.

You read an article that made a comment? I just posted the recruiting rankings for you to see. The "top twelve" was a #8 finish in 2020, the gamecocks were #18 that year. They haven't been in the top 12 any other year. And their average is very close to the gamecocks.

They don't have a "much more talented roster" than the gamecocks. They are quite similar in fact, except for this last year, which is the true freshman class.
 
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You read an article that made a comment? I just posted the recruiting rankings for you to see. The "top twelve" was a #8 finish in 2020, the gamecocks were #18 that year. They haven't been in the top 12 any other year. And their average is very close to the gamecocks.

They don't have a "much more talented roster" than the gamecocks. They are quite similar in fact, except for this last year, which is the true freshman class.
Right#8=18. They were higher EVERY year. We have depth issues everywhere except DL. Tennessee has better depth.
 
No, it doesn't work that way. Flipping a coin is pure chance - a 50/50 deal. When you are 80% chance likely to lose each game you can't somehow just increase you chances to win any of those to 59%. It still will be 80% chance of losing each game.
An 80% chance of losing any particular game means in four games you have four 20 percent chances to win a game. Look at it this way. If you have a ten game season and an 80% chance against each opponent, if the odds were perfect you will have a 2-8 season. But any specific game you had a 20% chance of winning.
 
An 80% chance of losing any particular game means in four games you have four 20 percent chances to win a game. Look at it this way. If you have a ten game season and an 80% chance against each opponent, if the odds were perfect you will have a 2-8 season. But any specific game you had a 20% chance of winning.
Yes, that is basically what I was saying, but in your original post you were saying that there was a 59% we would win one of the 4 remaining games.
 
Article cited 20 years. A single year where the difference is 2 spots and you LATCH onto that year?

As stated before, 20 years ago mean nothing. Nothing at all. I clearly said I was talking about the numbers I posted, and regardless you'd still be wrong about claiming they were higher EVERY year.

I posted the last 5 years, as those are the players on the team now. ( not 15 years out of school at the time, with children old enough to be playing)

And those years that I posted are what I was talking about being close. Other than the freshman class, the other 4 were close, and UT was even ranked lower one year.

So again, the classes that were on the field in that game were all pretty closely ranked, except for the freshman class. And that in no way explains away the beatdown.

Edit: I want you to know that your dodge is as weak as it is transparent. You made a dubious claim about talent level, and I showed you where the recruiting rankings show you're wrong. You first tried to ignore the numbers, then started intentionally confusing my post with some article you claimed you read about players recruited 20 years ago. That's a lot of effort just to avoid typing "oh, I didn't know that. I was wrong."
 
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I think you are mistaken. Lots of people were disappointed when we hired Beamer. I don't recall anyone wanted to hire Fuentes away from Virginia Tech.
He was available when Muschamp came on board. And I remember many saying Fuentes was the better coach and they ridiculed Tanner for not getting him. Herman was definitely touted as better than Muschamp and he was used to belittle Tanner for sure. I was just making a point that being a negative nancy is a bullet proof position that requires no courage. You can always complain but I am sure many of the people that hate on Tanner said those were better coaches. They weren't and are not.
 
He was available when Muschamp came on board. And I remember many saying Fuentes was the better coach and they ridiculed Tanner for not getting him. Herman was definitely touted as better than Muschamp and he was used to belittle Tanner for sure. I was just making a point that being a negative nancy is a bullet proof position that requires no courage. You can always complain but I am sure many of the people that hate on Tanner said those were better coaches. They weren't and are not.
Let me get this straight. You’re saying that Fuentes and Herman are NOT better HCs than Muschamp???
 
You read an article that made a comment? I just posted the recruiting rankings for you to see. The "top twelve" was a #8 finish in 2020, the gamecocks were #18 that year. They haven't been in the top 12 any other year. And their average is very close to the gamecocks.

They don't have a "much more talented roster" than the gamecocks. They are quite similar in fact, except for this last year, which is the true freshman class.

At QB, they are WAY more talented and experienced than we are. Both Milton and definitely Hooker would have been the starter here day 1.
 
Nothing to build on next year? We had nothing to build on from last year.

Rebuilding will take years.
 
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At QB, they are WAY more talented and experienced than we are. Both Milton and definitely Hooker would have been the starter here day 1.

I think that's true. That staff did a good job going into the transfer portal for a qb. (Both actually)

I believe that is something else they did better than beamers staff.
 
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I think that's true. That staff did a good job going into the transfer portal for a qb. (Both actually)

I believe that is something else they did better than beamers staff.

Yeah, a 2 win South Carolina team isn't exactly a draw. Hell, it took Spurrier years, and he lost to Vandy twice in a row along the way.
 
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