Pumper Logic Explained
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But a bunch of people did, didn't they? There is a thread up right now how SC sold itself to the devil for two baseball championships, because without those wins Tanner never would be AD.
Ouch this didn't work out so well. Gave up a 95 yard punt return on special teams then our defense lost another 10 spots in the national rankings moving closer to a typical Muschamp defensive ranking.
Two of those blowouts were to #1 and a top 20 team that beat Bama. No one with any sense expected those games to be close.
That is a ludicrous statement. First of all we should NEVER be blown out by anyone by 34 points, especially to a team that lost to Miss St and Arkansas and beat Kent St. and New Mexico by about the same amount. Are you saying we are now on par with Kent St and New Mexico?
What? Who said they expected to beat UGA? What you are basically saying is there were only 2 possible outcomes: either beat UGA or lose by 4 touchdowns. That is ludicrous. There is a whole lot of mid ground in between. I expect us to at least be somewhat competitive in every game. With UGA, TN, and TA&M we were not. We look more like an FCS team than an SEC team. It's totally pathetic.
You're not serious. You don't even know what my expectations are.
What’s ludicrous is YOU thinking a 2-8 team that lost its playmaker on offense and the majority of its starting defense should somehow hang with #1 team in the country and the team that beat Bama.
But, but, but.... "it was the coaching", remember? "Now these guys will get all coached up and be better." Remember??? How's that coaching thing working out so far?
That's a pathetic excuse. Every team loses players every year. This isn't the NFL. Look at TN. They lost a ton - more than we did and yet they curb stomped us. We are supposed to be an SEC team. We should at least compete with everyone whether we win or not. Right now the only teams we can compete with are Vanderbilt and ECU and damn near got beat by those dregs as well.
The team that beat Bama also lost to Miss St and Arkansas too.
This is just an honest question. Do you think if the coaching staffs were changed. Beamer-led TN would have beaten a Heupel-led UofSC the same way?
Georgia's average margin of victory this year is 32. Y'all only lost by 27, better than average. Arkansas lost 37-0 to Georgia and in Arkansas they are singing Sam Pittman's praises. Your new coach may succeed or fail, but either way many here are being overly critical of the new coach at this point in his tenure.
Aren't you the one that said: "I know when a program is bereft. Right now, ours is." And when I suggested Beamer might still make an upset in one of the last four games you said: "I am taking the under". That is where I am getting my views of your expectations, a bereft program that has little chance of an upset in its last four games.
This is feeling an awful lot like a season almost 30 years ago; I believe these last four will be a pleasant surprise. I guess; hard to tell with the Beavis and Butthead brigade any more.
We lost to UGA by 4 TDs and you are calling that a positive? Also, why is it that you cherry pick your information? Why didn't you mention UT's avg margin of victory of 18 while beating us by 25? Why didn't you mention TA&M's margin of victory of 12 while beating us by 30? Or better yet why didn't you mention Vanderbilt's margin of loss while we eked out a 1 point come from behind win? Same for ECU?
The first statement is an observation, not an expectation. I might also add that, whatever my expectations are, they are subject to flux as events warrant. Hence the second statement. My expectations could change, for example, should we beat Florida. Do you expect us to beat Florida?
What? How do you come up with that logic? They lost way more players than we did after last year and we only lost to them 31-27. This year we lose by 25. Now let's see, what is the other significant change for us since last year? Oh yeah, the coaching staff. Burying your head in the sand won't make this any better.
They were way more talented than us to begin with. Yes they lost players to the portal but also signed a top 20 class before Pruitt was fired.
And lost some of those signees too, right?
As usual, the truth is probably in the middle. They may not have been equals, but they weren't better by that much.
And the gap certainly wasn't big enough for the beat down that occurred.
Obviously expectations can change, but we are talking about what your current expectations are, which you have clearly expressed. A team unlikely to upset anyone this season and that will play like a team lacking something (bereft). Observations and expectations are not mutually exclusive. If I say "that is a sorry team unlikely to beat anyone" that is both an observation about the quality of the team and an expectation about their expected future record.
Wow! That must have been some class of Freshmen to make a 21 point difference in one year. You really have no idea what you are talking about.
Yep. Satterfield has us performing at about that level. We certainly SHOULD be performing well above those programs. But right now, I’m not sure we could out score Kent St and New Mexico. What about you?
Again...... FRESHMEN!!!!!!!!! This would have had to be the greatest top 20 recruiting class in the history of college football to make that much difference. FYI, if you look at their depth chart there is not a single freshman starting, so it can't be that. Most are Jrs and Srs, you know, a lot of the same guys who were on the team last year.
I guess that leaves the only other significant difference between the 2 teams since last year: Their first year coaching staff vs our first year coaching staff.
Over the last 20 years their average ranking in recruiting is 13.4. Ours is much higher, but yes that’s almost identical
Their average recruiting rank is 13.4 the last twenty years. But yes, let’s ignore that.
And yet you spent all offseason saying we would beat them.
If I say a team is bereft, that does not necessarily mean that I consider it unable to win games. This team was already bereft in my opinion when it won the four games we won. I expected to win all of those games although I also considered the team to be bereft. Therefore, my opinion that the team is bereft has not correlated at all with my projections regarding wins.
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20 years? What the hell does that have to do with the difference between this year and last year???
You know. We should never expect to beat Tennessee and should never strive to beat them. Especially with all these 2* players we have now. Just be happy sitting in the SEC gutter with Vandy.
I don’t get why negative Nancy’s get so worked up about fans who enjoy their school sports and have positive attitudes and respect athletes who chose to attend our school. No one is preventing them from whining incessantly and pouting even when we win. As if they actually have a clue what they are talking about. They all wanted Fuentes instead of Beamer anyway. So……
As has been correctly pointed out, their average over 20 years is pretty meaningless.
Before we degrade into which recruiting ranking services are better, I'll just ask which one you used so we can compare the last 4 years.
Edit: I'll just cut to the chase and use rivals.
Year UT SC
2017 15 16
2018 20 18
2019 13 19
2020 8 18
2021 27 79
2021 throws the average off, admittedly, but since that was the true freshman class this year, it should have the least impact.
The four years prior are actually very close. They average about 4 spaces apart. Granted, UT is the one averaging higher, but I don't think that difference is really the reason for the beat down, do you?
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Who talked about "projections regarding wins"? That wasn't in the discussion at all. The word you used was "expectations" which is much wider than just won-loss records. You clearly stated your expectations that the team was unlikely to spring an upset the rest of this season and the team was lacking something (bereft). Your expectations were clearly stated as such.
