Can't read the article, seems like it was pulled. Does anybody have a cached version?
Padded numbers at women’s basketball games stack t
Padded numbers at women’s basketball games stack t
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In most cases, it's not just the fans that are reported in the attendance figure. They count everybody in the house including members of the teams, the press, and the broadcasters. If you have 100 employees working the game, they are counted in the attendance figure.Originally posted by b.wun:
didn't read the article but I will say that most schools calculate attendance by tickets bought and donated. If a corp has 100 tickets per game but only 50 show up, 100 will be reported. It was that way at the 4 schools that I worked at. So again, probably a non story
Now, THAT'S ^^^^^ a good summary of the situation!Originally posted by skinner63:
The State pads the number of papers sold too.....they use the number of papers printed. Ron is still padding the amount of education, his love life, and his bank account.....as was the resume he used to get his job at that fish wrapper of a paper!
Jack - let's start with this - Morris: Padded numbers at women's basketball games stack the deckOriginally posted by Jack_Burton:
Ok, I'll be that guy...
I attended Sunday's game against Syracuse. The crowd was loud. It was rowdy. It was a home court advantage. But that game was nowhere NEAR soldout. And, that's what struck me about a lot of the media coverage (TV and such) all weekend. They kept acting like the games were packed, but that was simply not the case, at all. When USC played, there were about 10,000 people in the stands, with humongous swaths of the upper deck unoccupied. When Syracuse played Nebraska, the place was damn near empty.
I don't understand what y'all find so egregious about this Morris column. It is 100% accurate. Our women's hoops crowds this year have been fantastic, all things considered. But they were nowhere NEAR packed on most nights. (Nor were the men, FWIW. But that's not the point.)
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with that as that would mean he's actually useful in some way.Originally posted by gamecockengineer2011:
that guy is a cock sucker.
Are you Ron Morris?Originally posted by Jack_Burton:
I know on this board it's "Ron Morris is evil." I get that.
But, again, his article was truthful. There was this idea all year that the women's games were "packed." Aside from a couple of games (Kentucky was one), that was nowhere close to being accurate. I know this because I attended a bunch of them and my eyeballs work. The vast majority of games featured a filled lower bowl (thanks to the fact that most tickets are general admission), with a little spillover into the upper.
Like Morris, I applaud the women's crowds this year. They were big crowds for girls basketball. Loud and proud and they lifted the team. But we came nowhere close to filling CLA and that includes last weekend.
No doubt your eyeballs work, but let's see if your brain does.Originally posted by Jack_Burton:
I know on this board it's "Ron Morris is evil." I get that.
But, again, his article was truthful. There was this idea all year that the women's games were "packed." Aside from a couple of games (Kentucky was one), that was nowhere close to being accurate. I know this because I attended a bunch of them and my eyeballs work. The vast majority of games featured a filled lower bowl (thanks to the fact that most tickets are general admission), with a little spillover into the upper.
Like Morris, I applaud the women's crowds this year. They were big crowds for girls basketball. Loud and proud and they lifted the team. But we came nowhere close to filling CLA and that includes last weekend.
If WBB hosting is anything like baseball none of that makes any difference and is in no way stacking the deck. Bids are submitted guaranteeing the payout to the NCAA. If not enough tickets are sold to cover the guarantee, though shitsky, pay anyway.Originally posted by Jack_Burton:
There was this idea all year that the women's games were "packed." Aside from a couple of games (Kentucky was one), that was nowhere close to being accurate....But we came nowhere close to filling CLA and that includes last weekend.
How is reporting attendance numbers the same way the majority of universities "stacking the deck"?Originally posted by Jack_Burton:
I know on this board it's "Ron Morris is evil." I get that.
But, again, his article was truthful. There was this idea all year that the women's games were "packed." Aside from a couple of games (Kentucky was one), that was nowhere close to being accurate. I know this because I attended a bunch of them and my eyeballs work. The vast majority of games featured a filled lower bowl (thanks to the fact that most tickets are general admission), with a little spillover into the upper.
Like Morris, I applaud the women's crowds this year. They were big crowds for girls basketball. Loud and proud and they lifted the team. But we came nowhere close to filling CLA and that includes last weekend.
Originally posted by bosoxcock:
Like it or not...Ron Morris is correct.
Its really not that big of a deal, and after all its Women's basketball
Then why has he never made this kind of point about attendance at moo u football games? For years you could read the word "Tigers" in the upper deck when a team punted the ball at tater games, and you would get attendance figures of 85K in the state rag. The tigers would be considered one of the highest attendance schools for football when friends of mine who attended the games would say they doubted there were 65K there. Wonder why Morris never used the same angle for that? I'm just sayin....
This post was edited on 3/25 6:27 PM by bosoxcock
Originally posted by bosoxcock:
Like it or not...Ron Morris is correct.
Its really not that big of a deal, and after all its Women's basketball
Correct or not, he has a schtick people fall for time and time again. Yes he is a punk but he's simple. He's negative towards all the positive things about the university and he's positive towards all the things are fans are complaining about. Maybe it makes him feel smart always going against the general attitude of the majority.
This post was edited on 3/25 6:27 PM by bosoxcock
"Stack the deck" means the university fixed the system to gain an advantage. His use of this idiom suggests a couple of possibilities: 1) He actually thinks the common practice of counting tickets sold versus people in the seats gave USC an advantage, or 2) Ron Morris is a terrible, lazy writer that uses cliches and can't put the requisite thought into using the right ones. I got my money on 2.Originally posted by Jack_Burton:
I know on this board it's "Ron Morris is evil." I get that.
But, again, his article was truthful. There was this idea all year that the women's games were "packed." Aside from a couple of games (Kentucky was one), that was nowhere close to being accurate. I know this because I attended a bunch of them and my eyeballs work. The vast majority of games featured a filled lower bowl (thanks to the fact that most tickets are general admission), with a little spillover into the upper.
Like Morris, I applaud the women's crowds this year. They were big crowds for girls basketball. Loud and proud and they lifted the team. But we came nowhere close to filling CLA and that includes last weekend.
Well stated Titleist! Morris typifies the Clemsonesque rationale; that being, the issue is not an issue unless Carolina is the beneficiary or originator...Originally posted by Titleist*:
Jack - let's start with this - Morris: Padded numbers at women's basketball games stack the deckOriginally posted by Jack_Burton:
Ok, I'll be that guy...
I attended Sunday's game against Syracuse. The crowd was loud. It was rowdy. It was a home court advantage. But that game was nowhere NEAR soldout. And, that's what struck me about a lot of the media coverage (TV and such) all weekend. They kept acting like the games were packed, but that was simply not the case, at all. When USC played, there were about 10,000 people in the stands, with humongous swaths of the upper deck unoccupied. When Syracuse played Nebraska, the place was damn near empty.
I don't understand what y'all find so egregious about this Morris column. It is 100% accurate. Our women's hoops crowds this year have been fantastic, all things considered. But they were nowhere NEAR packed on most nights. (Nor were the men, FWIW. But that's not the point.)
The headline to the article insinuates that USC is doing something underhanded and misleading, as if they are the ONLY school that counts tickets sold, not cheeks in the seats. Like an earlier poster said, all schools, leagues, and concerts report attendance based on ticket sales. This is just a pathetic stab by Morris to gain some attention to his otherwise forgettable existence.