So, our football recruiting class is ranked 30th overall and 12th in the SEC.
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You can't be serious. Lurker constantly is degrading Beamer and has for a long time.
Gotta run. BOTMASTER - you need to pick up your game. It's far too obvious at this point. And it's a little creepy.
I guess I need to spend more time on this site to read Lurker's quotes to look for him calling for Beamer's immediate dismissal.
If you ever find that quote, let me know. Talk about creepy. Actually, those who have creepy thoughts in their mind are the creepy ones. Looks like you are the one who needs to pick up their game.
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I'd say we've proven that what is actually said doesn't matter. What matters more is impressions of what posters might think based on various semi related comments. (At least to those who want nothing more than just to troll and gather responses. )
Some people have difficulty in comprehension. And they are blinded by their biases.
This took less than 3 minutes. Imagine what 20 minutes would produce? Or an hour? One of the most successful ever after 3 seasons and these are your takes.
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"In a couple years, do you think someone will hire Beamer as a coordinator?"
"I'm not sure Chadwell will still be available when the unemployment line "steals" Beamer away..."
"That reminds me of the talk when we hired Beamer. We went cheap on Beamer with the idea he could hire a great staff. I always wondered what those people think now."
"There will ALWAYS be excuses. There were people still arguing for Muschamp going into his last year."
" The first thing I can think of, is not to hire an obvious failure like Muschamp, and an obvious hail Mary, like Beamer."
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And you think we can hire that? Despite what the mental midgets among us claim, I never said we SHOULDN'T hire what you suggest, I said we COULDN'T hire that. Of course we should have hired another Spurrier if someone like that was available at the time and wanted to come here. But that wasn't the case. Recent coaching search have shown that. Success FCS coaches turn us down and wait for a better option, and even moderately successful FBS coaches like Rich Rod weren't interested. Some just aren't in reality when it comes to who we can hire now. I mean, Dan Mullen was going to be our OC. lol
And while previous head coaching experience and even coordinator experience certainly makes the resume look better, there is a lot of risk there too, if you can even hire that here. Beamer has already proven he is no Richard Bell. Sparky was a coordinator and successful head coach at App St. Not FBS, but one of those hot names at the time that we can't hire now. Brad Scott was a successful coordinator at FSU. Won the National Championship under Bowden in 1993. No way we hire that today. Muschamp was a failed FBS coach before he came here at Florida. If anybody shouldn't have been hired, it was him. A proven failure in a much better situation at Florida than he will have here at South Carolina.
But don't let the idiocy about "lifetime position coach" fool you. The current winning SuperBowl coach went from position coach to head coach. The coach of the current NCAA Football National Championship went from position coach to head coach. Jim Tressel did the same. Urban Meyer did the same. Dabo did the same. All have Championships with some have more than one. Even that idiot Orgeron kinda did the same, since everyone knows he wasn't really the DC at SoCal because Lane had daddy Monte running the show. Of course, Orgeron had top talent, which is usually the case. Just more evidence that money for top talent is what you need.
As for Pittman, I remember people using Pittman as a reason to bash Beamer, so they obviously believed that a position coach was feasible then. And even experienced coaches failed. Remember your "Auburn Did Its Coaching Hire Right" thread? Fired 2 years later. Lost to us when we were playing our 4th string FCS QB.
https://southcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/auburn-did-its-football-coaching-hire-right.368187/
I even warned then that we probably need to wait and see about Harsin. Same goes for Beamer here, and he will get more time here because the road here is much harder.
Long story short, it's not a cut and dry as you want to make it. It happens both ways. Top resumes can fail. Thin resumes can successful. It would be very difficult to hire what you think we need for success. We can't even hire coaches below that level. The best option is to buy the talent and give Beamer a chance to get it done. And if he can't, all the money and talent might attract that coach you think we need.
Because we can read post history and see exactly what was said in the past.
Watson said in Oct 2022 that Beamer should be fired after the 2022 season since he was definitely going to be fired at the 2023 season. Said it was early, but the right thing to do. His girlfriend slurper123 agreed but argued that it wasn't going to happen because decision makers weren't even going to consider it.
I assumed the lack of a link meant your version of history would be "creative", and I was right.
So here's the link where I agree Watson's post. I said I didn't agree with everything, but that part doesn't count i guess, leaving you to conveniently pick and choose what I meant.
But the really funny part is few posts above that where I state, quite clearly:
Discussing the firing of Beamer this year is premature, imo.
Probably the real reason you suddenly forgot how to paste a link.
Beamer should be fired if:
he refuses to make major changes in the off season, new OC, new line coach, new QB for starters. SC is the only program in the SEC that accepts mediocrity. Look at Tenn, they fired three coaches in just a few years and insisted on the athletic dept finding the right one. Two seasons later...
southcarolina.forums.rivals.com
Lmao
Guess you actually CAN'T read post history and see exactly what was said.
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This is an odd statement considering our last several hires, excluding Beamer.
And I know it'll be a couple years away, but when Beamer is replaced, I'll wager we aren't magically forced into hiring another career position coach.
But then you'll be onto another screen name, and won't be around to defend this position.
I'll add that once again you keep talking about the "hot"names, and I'll say again that you're intentionally conflating "top" names with names of coaches that are simply "better" than career position coaches.
But your way seems to be working. I'm sure people will soon realize Beamer is the next Harbaugh and Reid rolled into one.
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I assumed the lack of a link meant your version of history would be "creative", and I was right.
So here's the link where I agree Watson's post. I said I didn't agree with everything, but that part doesn't count i guess, leaving you to conveniently pick and choose what I meant.
But the really funny part is few posts above that where I state, quite clearly:
Discussing the firing of Beamer this year is premature, imo.
Probably the real reason you suddenly forgot how to paste a link.
Beamer should be fired if:
he refuses to make major changes in the off season, new OC, new line coach, new QB for starters. SC is the only program in the SEC that accepts mediocrity. Look at Tenn, they fired three coaches in just a few years and insisted on the athletic dept finding the right one. Two seasons later...
Lmao
Guess you actually CAN'T read post history and see exactly what was said.
Nice objectivity flex.
Believe most are pretty confident you aren't on the board.
Spurrier and Holtz decided to come to USC on their own accord, Lurker. That's a point you continue to miss in spite of your storied history of being a superfan. There's zero evidence that paying bailouts and spinning coaching wheels is going to yield perfect coach you contend is just waiting in the wings to take the SEC by storm. As of today, it would likely do nothing but set us back.
I will be clear. There are no guarantees in anything, except as they say, taxes, and eventually death. That's common sense. The reason I wanted someone with proven success as a FBS Head Coach is because that improves the probability for success. That's common sense too. That's how I have always approached my investments.....probabilities.... not hope. "Hope" is never an investment strategy. It's a recipe for disaster. Of course there are cases of people without such proven FBS Head Coaching success working out and vice versa. THAT has never been the case for OUR football program. Those who have had unprecedented success as Head Coaches for us were successful FBS Head Coaches elsewhere prior to coming here. And that's why I said yesterday that if Beamer fails, I want us next time to follow our historical path that has led us to some success in the past. And to be further clear, as I said yesterday, I hope that Beamer will break the curse of first time FBS Head Coaches failing here. As I have said ad nauseum here and elsewhere, Beamer has earned the right to be given as much time as Muschamp. And I certainly would love to see more money put into the Gamecock NIL coffers. But, I don't have confidence that will happen enough to put us on par with the other SEC programs. And unfortunately, I have no confidence that there will be NIL reforms to address that problem either. That leaves me hoping for the best. Unfortunately, too, as I said above, I have yet to find "hope" to be a strategy in the investment world.
Have private messages been disabled? I want to start one but doesn't seem to be an option anymore. Or does it require being on the pay side?
Agree. (Do i need to add the disclaimer that I might not agree with every single word used?)
I think probability was a good way to put it. Using an extreme example, having a hiring choice between a title winning head coach and a guy who Coaches highschool ball. There is no guarantee, but there are certainly differences in probability of success.
Sometimes you risk a lot, sometimes you try to minimize risk.
But this has been repeated enough that it's pretty clear anyone having issues with it is doing so on purpose, just to argue.
So there is a HC in the SEC no less who was never even a high school coach. Or pee-wee football coach. Whatever school that hired him should expect to be pointed to and laughed at.
it's not hard. Your contention is that the AD has failed us with the hiring of Coach Beamer when there's no evidence to suggest that right now. You're getting called out for your constant, overly toxic rhetoric directed at him and the program -- especially given that you have offered little to nothing to support your position.
I'm going to read this post and say that you wanted Beamer fired after only his first game coaching here.
It doesn't matter what you actually said, only what I think you might've meant based on preconceived assumptions.
As for your question, I don't see it either. You post elsewhere that uses private messages though.
Jacque,
When you first told me about it, I tried it and could not make it work. I simply chalked it up as incompetence on my part. I was too embarrassed to ask you what I was doing wrong. Thanks for making me feel better. LOL
I'm going to read this post and say that you wanted Beamer fired after only his first game coaching here.
It doesn't matter what you actually said, only what I think you might've meant based on preconceived assumptions.
As for your question, I don't see it either. You post elsewhere that uses private messages though.
The posts I pulled from your profile were within the last month or two. Again, all we want to see if a little supporting evidence of your current mental state as depicted. However, won't be holding our breath. Having the likes of SFC and Watson as your contemporaries really sets the tone.
LOL. Mental state?
It's somewhere between Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs and a 12 year old girl that didn't get her Taylor Swift tickets. I do enjoy watching it though.
I know she is waiting on every word I post.
LOL. Mental state?
It's somewhere between Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs and a 12 year old girl that didn't get her Taylor Swift tickets. I do enjoy watching it though.
I know she is waiting on every word I post.
Lmao
Shouldn't you be sifting through years of posts to find another thread that doesn't back up you're whining?
How long did it take you to find that thread that basically said the opposite of what you wanted?
I haven't laughed so hard since your detective work, following me to other boards to cry that years old threads that I didn't post on were "proof" I was a "tater".
Keep it up troll. It's good to laugh this hard on a Friday.
Yeah, sorry about that. 🙂
The icon is still at the top but I can't start a new convo.
I didn't want to hire Beamer but after his 1st 2 seasons I had hope. I've now lost hope.I'm going to read this post and say that you wanted Beamer fired after only his first game coaching here.
It doesn't matter what you actually said, only what I think you might've meant based on preconceived assumptions.
As for your question, I don't see it either. You post elsewhere that uses private messages though.
Wanting something you can't get isn't a strategy either. We couldn't even land hot names from small schools, let alone successful coaches from FBS schools. We tried that.
Since that isn't happening, we've seen schools take other strategies and be successful. Don't need a big name coach or even a coach with head coaching experience or even coordinator experience. Hire a good prospect and load them up with talent. Just have to want to pay for it.
Sure, it's risky. But not any more risky than anybody else we could have reasonable expected to hire. And I doubt any of those coaches could have had the success Beamer had already.
IF Beamer fails, we will see which direction they go to replace him.
As I said before, I'd love to see the Gamecock NIL coffers fill up significantly and continue. However, I don't see any evidence that will happen to place us and keep us on par with the existing SEC powers and those (Texas and Oklahoma) coming into the league.
Jacque,
I've said numerous times that Beamer overachieved his first 2 seasons here. Last season, he did not. BUT, I'm encouraged with the new hires. I believe we are no worse in one or maybe, maybe 2 of the hires (may be an upgrade not downgrade in the 2nd). We definitely, in my opinion upgraded in the other 2. Now I would have replaced a couple of more. But he didn't. I think we will surprise this coming season. So, don't give up.
Jacque,
I will also say those hires are on the offense. Regarding the defense, I know I'm in the minority when I say I have great confidence in our DC Clayton White. So, as I said, don't give up on them.
I have way, way more confidence in Clayton White than in Dowell Loggains. The new blood on the offensive staff will greatly help Loggains.
I will also say those hires are on the offense. Regarding the defense, I know I'm in the minority when I say I have great confidence in our DC Clayton White. So, as I said, don't give up on them.
I have way, way more confidence in Clayton White than in Dowell Loggains. The new blood on the offensive staff will greatly help Loggains.
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It was not and is not your fault. You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about.
I remember you stance pretty well. I'm just laughing at some of the trolling going on around here. Read a post... make up a different meaning to the post than what was said....start crying about the made up sh!t.
I figured you would appreciate it.
I don't think you are in the minority regarding Clayton White. Some clowns were talking about him being fired, but that was absurd. White is a great coach, and we need to hang on to him. I suspect he will get other opportunities soon. Hopefully he stays here.
This reminds me of something a wise, trusted poster once said.
The entire premise of this thread was that we are at a talent disadvantage. Under that premise, the answer is not to "load up with talent". That is the opposite.
One season with a ton of critical injuries did that?
How long have you been a Gamecock fan?
Money buying talent is the answer. Period. Not something people want to hear because it requires skin in the game instead of anonymous internet whining, but money rules the world. And it DEFINITELY rules college football.
Okay, but now think about what you JUST said.
In other words, Wanting to suddenly have more money than the big dogs or the middle level SEC teams isn't a strategy either.
Forget the trolling, forget the silly implications that some people pay more than others, take two seconds, and THINK for a minute. Read this next part like it's from an anonymous poster you've never heard of if it helps.
The premise of the thread was to ask, IF WE ASSUME A TALENT DISCREPANCY, due to NIL or recruiting or whatever, do we have the staff to compensate or overcome that? No discussion of money, it's an assumed loss for this thread.
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I believe most of us recognize the state of the world of college football, and have so for some time. Consequently, as things now stand for USC, we are in a world of hurt. I don't see it (money deficit) changing. Evidently, we even trail Clemson.
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