Why are we the "Wait until next year" university?
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That’s your thought process buy the way you are a kitty LoL. That better you idiot.
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And a bumper sticker on the front that says, "If you can read this, just close your eyes; it'll be over soon"???
I am 78 years old, a loyal Carolina alumnus, and a faithful fan since my older brother graduated in 1947 when I was 6 years old. Our record is there for anyone to see, and it is mostly heartbreak and disappointment. We remain because we love our State, and we love the Gamecocks just like a loyal husband cleaves to a wayward wife. Of course we are fools but we get just enough attention from the woman we desire above all others... an occasional good season or a win over our hated rival... to revive the weak flame as we have nowhere else to go.
Just the facts as I see'um.I sure hope that wasn't supposed to be a pep talk.
He may not find out next year; l, for one, am counting on a brush with success. Go Gamecocks!
Not saying you're wrong. But it amazes me how so many in our fanbase just accept it while we watch Clemson build a national powerhouse. The defeatist attitude is incredibly strong with us.
The culture at Clemson is different. From top to bottom, they expect to have a great football program and everybody knows what their job is.
The fans worship the players that are "all-in". That said, there's no way in hell Clemson fans would have supported any player doing what Deebo did here. They would have turned on him in a skinny minute and he would have been outside the circle. Here, most of our fans cared more about Deebo's NFL draft status than they did about winning the bowl game.
The fans worship the players that are "all-in". That said, there's no way in hell Clemson fans would have supported any player doing what Deebo did here. They would have turned on him in a skinny minute and he would have been outside the circle. Here, most of our fans cared more about Deebo's NFL draft status than they did about winning the bowl game.
We Carolina fans are anything but defeatist. We just happen to possess an amazing ability to overlook over a century of athletic mediocrity.
We have many fans that use that history of mediocrity to not only insist that we'll never do anything great, but to brow beat those of us that think we can and demand that we try. That is the very definition of being defeatist.
Just as there are many fans who harbor that rare conception that it is the function of a university to educate students. Athletics is only a smaller function of education, or should be. The Ivy League gets it about right.
What's your point? This is a forum for discussing Gamecock athletics. If you're more concerned with the academics, I'm sure there's another form out there for you.
The point is that one can love and support Gamecock athletics without insisting that winning championships should be the priority above all other considerations. Especially given the fact that some fans persist in spite of the long record that we have in athletic endeavors. I suspect that the most insistent of such fans never darkened the door of a Carolina classroom, much less hold a degree from the school.
Not accusing you of such a shortcoming, but a lot of the communication on this forum does not speak well for the participants' level of education.
Not accusing you of such a shortcoming, but a lot of the communication on this forum does not speak well for the participants' level of education.
If we don't want to win championships, then why bother? Seriously, what is the point? It's not like we're talking cutting out a graduate program to fund football. Football funds itself and all other sports. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
And while I do have my degree from USC, who cares if someone attended USC? Just because someone was better served at another school for their particular major doesn't mean they weren't born and raised diehard Gamecocks.
Can't argue with that. If you are doing it you might as well try to win it all.
I don't like the constant badgering the coaches and blaming the players. Seems silly to me, again, taking into consideration our mediocre history. Expectations are o.k., but seems to some overdo it to the extent that it affects the morale and commitment of the athletes. Nuf said.
Marcus would not have sit out and knowing all the farmers, you are right. Maybe Deebo never had an insurance policy in case of injuries.
T Lawrence just said in an interview that he would never sit out a game, regardless of where or when it was. Said it was a team sport and the team you practiced and played with need you to follow the playbook
thanks, but not interested in a tater.
Sound of resignation. The joke is on the fan who does not demand excellence.
"Excellence" is a word so overused by shallow sports fans that it is worthless and trite. Too bad: the word used to have some meaning and usefulness.
Interesting. What is your definition of excellence for this football team. Like to hear your perspective because of shallow fans overusing it. BTW keep traveling.
Would define excellence for this football team as a sincere and enthusiastic effort.
You guys just haven't been critical enough online yet. Sure, some fans "accept mediocrity" but you "demand more." With your unflinching commitment to complain about anything our athletic department does, surely it can't be long until you've shamed them into their rightful place
That's your definition for excellence? And you bash other fans for how they use it?
I think my slur about "shallow" football fans was out of line and apologize for that.
I admired Spurrier and greatly enjoyed watching his football teams perform on the field. I remember once that he criticized USC fans for applauding a good but losing performance for the team. Thought he was too attached to the win at all costs concept at the time. Also remember that it was said by some sports writer that Spurrier left Florida because the fans wanted too much of the coaches and the team even though he had done so much for the fans. Don't know that he felt that way but if true his comments on Carolina fans seems a contradiction.
I don't know that we would have treated the Debo situation any different if we were in the same position. Outside of 5 or 6 bowls, the current system is pretty pointless. I'd hate for one of our best players, who has already had a serious injury, to jeopardize his NFL draft status by tearing an ACL against a mediocre team in a meaningless bowl game. Thats not a jab at Carolina, it's a jab at the system and what we are asking the kids to do just so the school can make some extra money.
With that being said, if you suit up I'd expect you to play your ass off, and I don't know that a lot of the team did that. I put that on the coaches not managing the situation well though. If you accept the bowl invite, you should have your team ready.
Spurrier was trying to change our culture. He saw how much we were holding ourselves back by being OK with losing. I used to think he had succeeded -- and to a certain extent, he did. But there are still a lot of fans that just willingly re-embraced the "woe is us, we'll never be (insert winning program here)" mentality. I never understood before, and I don't understand it now -- especially now that we'veseen it's possible.
(By the way, Winning at all costs implies cheating. Spurrier has never been named as a cheater. In fact, he would turn in other schools that he thought was cheating because he wanted to play by the rules. Not a bad lesson for the kids, wouldn't you agree?)
As for how he left Florida, the stories I've heard were that he grew tired of fans that were so spoiled by all the winning, they were complaining about only winning by 35 points. He felt there was just nothing more he could do there.
You're right. Spurrier did demonstrate that it is possible. But no other coach has except maybe for Coach Joe. But even in our miracle year of 1984 we crashed and burned a la traditional Carolina teams. Woe is me...a lifelong fan.
Ahhh! Sincere effort is good enough? Even if they go 0-12? Makes me feel you really are not concerned about the W-L? Just effort?
Yeah, I would go for sincerity and enthusiasm every time out. Beats BS about winning and championships which rarely happen anyway. The record is there for all to see. As I have quoted Omar before, "The moving finger writes, and having writ, moves on. Nor all your piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line, nor all your tears wash out a word of it".
Sir, I don't say this with malice. But much of what you say personifies the defeatist attitude we discussed earlier.
"We'll never win here" attitude + Never trying or pressuring leadership to try = Never winning here ==> Self-fulfilling Prophecy
Agreed. I don’t know where this mentality came from but it is commonplace. I sit and look at Clemson, a hole in the road one horse town. We have more financial resources and a bigger alumni base to draw from yet, it just never happens. We have never demanded any level of performance and have always excused poor performances.
I too am shaking my head in disbelief. But this is not an isolated view. Take a look at TIF. When you do not ask for excellence you don't get it. The people accountable in USC sports starts with the AD. Then the coaches. One refrain I hear is that the AD is taking a long-term view. Well, isn't that nice? It allows the AD to not be accountable, and for 5-7 years gives these coaches a free pass. Then they (coaches) get replaced in their 7th year, and the AD continues for the next 100 years because the BOT is not willing to make changes. Are we stuck in a pool of mediocrity? We have the resources to change. Do we have the will to change?
Not buying what you are selling. Clemson has been recruiting 5-star players ever since the Cam Newton ruling. Clemson does have businesses and fans who support at any cost. I know many of them. Some are my relatives. You my friend are misinformed.
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